Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:49996) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9y7f-0006ml-Hs; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:25:09 -0700 Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10sf5761617eaa.16 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NLWZ6V7kRErXBFQanYbyjc0v9J+4iBcIEqL3UFCgnTA=; b=yviu0oc2s3jJ9dRRail8XTvBsILC5veOt+vfEaRg8rPn8CWCaDPy5HyrSkbisgwzYl 1DKZLPEYvCL96SOdtdTioRM3lWLBZz9mduDZwAkczWf1XFDRPdkytcuEWBisfO+1TB5+ BQ/bt7lsTgih+qxKLgBZqbpCWowarKHr+lLh0= Received: by 10.204.13.74 with SMTP id b10mr983222bka.17.1332246279101; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.50.142 with SMTP id z14ls314723bkf.3.gmail; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1519687bkw.1.1332246277430; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1519686bkw.1.1332246277406; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si1732559bkb.2.2012.03.20.05.24.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.170; Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id gg13so9425779lbb.1 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.112.100 with SMTP id ip4mr12107277lab.1.1332246277137; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:24:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:24:37 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040838fd1a247e04bbabc2eb X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 9179 --f46d040838fd1a247e04bbabc2eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 zo'o Oh, .lindar. would be so proud of me right now. Actually telling someone to use terminators instead of cu. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily > elidable, unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst > case, it would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to > correctly terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one. > > cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly adds > whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begin a > new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and > please keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there > are any other similarities between cu and .i). > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki wrote: > >> Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban. >> But this textbook must use as few words as possible. >> I wanna get rid of all words that can be replaced by other words. >> >> It's a textbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an introduction >> to Lojban. >> >> On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: >>> >>> Even if it is possible to eliminate {ku} in speech, why would you want >>> to? >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, gleki wrote: >>> >>>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we >>>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and {cu} ? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**P3eUQjPdbJsJ >>>> . >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.** >>>> com . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/GaqDxupbMXQJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d040838fd1a247e04bbabc2eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zo'o Oh, .lindar. would be so proud of me right now. Actually telling s= omeone to use terminators instead of cu.

= On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. = cu is actually easily elidable, unlike ku. I believe we determined not long= ago that in the worst case, it would take a maximum of three terminators i= n the absence of cu to correctly terminate a grammatical structure, and rar= ely more than one.

cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly a= dds whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begi= n a new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and p= lease keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there are= any other similarities between cu and .i).


On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban.
= But this textbook must use as few words as possible.
I wanna get = rid of all words that can be replaced by other words.

It's a tex= tbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an introduction to Lojban= .

On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote:Even if it is possible to=A0eliminate= =A0{ku} in speech, why would you want to?

stevo

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 A= M, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku}= in speech ? Can we rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo li= ke {kei} and {cu} ?

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