Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:65395) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9ypi-0007SA-RX; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:41 -0700 Received: by ghbf14 with SMTP id f14sf9012ghb.16 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=C+SBZh1ZSWN1+XN2vpjiseGArknLpCFVFFFkBkSY+MY=; b=VnSR8+AWGZ5hete3+W0g5Et75OOIfQ3Gti9rPB8cX0AceTzMBYACGEJx7ViRzf+HrV nIbJolKsybACjYuymnqGHCfOsZZupKTOAMBHc1N322RV8y4OxLYbc4zoQXFo2+8FOSXc AZI82mClSiDPwAJgC6duU9iO3YsC1W9SKflIM= Received: by 10.52.24.244 with SMTP id x20mr1311711vdf.11.1332249008284; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.1.209 with SMTP id 17ls160306vcg.1.gmail; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.3 with SMTP id z3mr1339472vde.2.1332249006841; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 06:10:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.79 Safari/535.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3618 On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily elidabl= e, > unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case, i= t > would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to correct= ly > terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one. What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo ku ku ku ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least these four {ku} if we want to avoid {cu}. I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't require a string of more than two terminators. mu 'o mi'e ianek > cu is kind of like an optional half-.i, in that whereas .i implicitly add= s > whatever terminators are required to end the previous sentence and begin = a > new one, cu does the same, but only up the point of the selbri (, and > please keep in mind that that is where my comparison ends- I doubt there > are any other similarities between cu and .i). > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, gleki wrote= : > > Well. We are preparing a textbook that will teach how to speak lojban. > > But this textbook must use as few words as possible. > > I wanna get rid of all words that can be replaced by other words. > > > It's a textbook for newbies. So don't worry. It will be an introduction= to > > Lojban. > > > On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:49:14 AM UTC+4, stevo wrote: > > >> Even if it is possible to eliminate {ku} in speech, why would you want= to? > > >> stevo > > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:35 AM, gleki wro= te: > > >>> Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Can we > >>> rearrange words in extreme cases and use other cmavo like {kei} and {= cu} ? > > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/*= * > >>> msg/lojban-beginners/-/**P3eUQjPdbJsJ > >>> . > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**= com > >>> . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > >>> . > >>> For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/** > >>> group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den > >>> . > > >> =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > >https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/GaqDxupbMXQJ. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.