Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:46386) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SA89w-0005UE-7N; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:08:12 -0700 Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9sf389782bkc.16 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:08:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AZ9Ws5QFZpl6S+j392Ss2rqOQe+Fc0kL60v/mkNoul4=; b=zka5XNPlNlEeDc9Pp1dEiGmmgCxSruQn/prqeBb2sfA5hBVl8DRsR1VmK/i5d/di8w QNky3fVOeFs111OQEjtZi0A406CypMj5LNhfFnJIkt760nyR4mb8avczb+jkED2/4JIV Q+dB9cMAJD8ISoQVOdjI9JWlvibeMta75eAZ0= Received: by 10.205.136.196 with SMTP id il4mr319049bkc.9.1332284858999; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.143.211 with SMTP id w19ls698319bku.9.gmail; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr201236bkv.6.1332284857398; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr201235bkv.6.1332284857381; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si3489049bkb.2.2012.03.20.16.07.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.45; Received: by lahe6 with SMTP id e6so482586lah.4 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.105 with SMTP id p9mr646065lby.43.1332284856738; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.129.164 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:07:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <19229634.6385.1332243517469.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne2> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:07:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1588 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:15 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM, ianek wrote: >> On 20 Mar, 13:23, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > Well, in that case, I recommend cu, not ku. cu is actually easily >> > elidable, >> > unlike ku. I believe we determined not long ago that in the worst case, >> > it >> > would take a maximum of three terminators in the absence of cu to >> > correctly >> > terminate a grammatical structure, and rarely more than one. >> >> What a about {lo nu broda lo nu brode lo nu brodi lo nu brodo ku ku ku >> ku brodu}? Jbofi'e says that it needs at least these four {ku} if we >> want to avoid {cu}. >> I like avoiding {cu}, but only when it doesn't require a string of >> more than two terminators. > > Maybe the original meant three distinct terminators. You've used only one, > albeit four times. In that case, the worst case is that it takes a maximum of one distinct terminator (repeated however many times) to replace "cu". The same terminator for the outermost structure (sometimes repeated) should always do the trick. So the "maximum of three" doesn't really work under either interpretation. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.