Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:56675) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SAPHY-0005kq-Kn; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:25:09 -0700 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf1752014yen.16 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/GtaLD+r3Z7UxsqrUTyXtmg9FGrziapRXOanIcdxoOw=; b=oZo6Cuw84h4+RNmiZKAnn3tSwzCYf6yXywtNWxqQ34mFAYSnbGEVegTNzsrF0phaOL ZH/PFVszH4xvF9+uK46mbXZScvaI/YdgRjAjGGRCE+/Q3ZEWOmOFkJU8JndZWW8oVPDA 9Na3qVeiB+pFTQbGIU6J+/llFGPUuZCOd44p4= Received: by 10.52.94.100 with SMTP id db4mr703595vdb.10.1332350680870; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.170.78 with SMTP id ak14ls748653vdc.6.gmail; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.38.231 with SMTP id j7mr719624vdk.5.1332350679369; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: ianek To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <5864394.507.1332350678858.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbck9> In-Reply-To: <201203211122.14927.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <58e32a1a-5abd-49b2-9bf3-29efbb8d7a52@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com> <201203211122.14927.phma@phma.optus.nu> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say "Things beginning with N" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_506_8752810.1332350678857" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 3157 ------=_Part_506_8752810.1332350678857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, words may be sequences of letters when written, but not when spoken. Does {me'o ny} refer more to a written symbol than a sound? mu'o mi'e ianek On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:22:14 PM UTC+1, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 10:52:49 ianek wrote: > > I've come up with {ro da poi se valsi lo lerfu se pamoi be me'o ny}, > > assuming {me'o} is the way to talk about letters. This also assumes > > that words are sequences of letters, which may be far-fetched. And > > also that valsi2 are things named by words, eg. {lo plise ku se valsi > > zo plise}. > > Sounds good. Words are sequences of letters, but they are more than that: > "lobmau" and "jbozma" are the same word, but not the same sequence of > letters. > > Pierre > -- > loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/5_-GxditpKsJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. ------=_Part_506_8752810.1332350678857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, words may be sequences of letters when written, but not when spoken. = Does {me'o ny} refer more to a written symbol than a sound?

<= div>mu'o mi'e ianek

On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:22:14 PM UTC+1, P= ierre Abbat wrote:
On Wednesday= , March 21, 2012 10:52:49 ianek wrote:
> I've come up with {ro da poi= se valsi lo lerfu se pamoi be me'o ny},
> assuming {me'o} is the way= to talk about letters. This also assumes
> that words are sequences = of letters, which may be far-fetched. And
> also that valsi2 are thin= gs named by words, eg. {lo plise ku se valsi
> zo plise}.

Sounds go= od. Words are sequences of letters, but they are more than that:
"lobma= u" and "jbozma" are the same word, but not the same sequence of letters.

Pierre
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji

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