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[69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d64si3642542yhn.3.2012.03.22.13.10.25; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B560B216C9 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Is it possible to completely get rid of {ku} in speech ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:10:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <24143939.1398.1332138901295.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynnk21> <33103594.462.1332425745262.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynbu11> In-Reply-To: <33103594.462.1332425745262.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynbu11> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203221610.14539.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2385 On Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:15:45 gleki wrote: > https://sites.google.com/site/cernidirgo/menli-bangu-put-koteenka >=20 > The Kitten's Way is still in progress. I don't know Russian well enough to translate into it, but I can read it=20 fairly well. In the Cyrillic alphabet for Lojban, =DF, not =D9, is used for y. =FF is no= t used as=20 a vowel in Russian, but it is in Bulgarian, and as I understand it (I don't= =20 speak Bulgarian), it's closer to Lojban y than =D9 is. > mi dunda lo plise ku fa'a do - =D1 =C4=C1=C0 =D1=C2=CC=CF=CB=CF =D4=C5=C2= =C5. I'd say "mi dunda lo plise ku do". "fa'a" is not a proper preposition but a= =20 spatial tense marker (though all tense markers can be used as prepositions)= =20 and doesn't denote motion unless preceded by "mo'i". > zo'e pe do - =DE=D4=CF-=D4=CF =CF =D4=C5=C2=C5 "pe" isn't a preposition. It can be used to attach a prepositional phrase t= o a=20 sumti (e.g. "le renro pe pa'o lo canko" means "the thrower who is through a= =20 window", which is different from "le renro be pa'o lo canko" which means "t= he=20 thrower through a window", i.e. he throws something through a window). "pe"= is=20 in the same selma'o as "goi", which does something quite un-preposition-lik= e. > xu do cusku bau la .lojban. ? (=F4=D9 =C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=C9=DB=D8 =CE=C1 =EC= =CF=D6=C2=C1=CE=C5 ?) For "Do you speak Lojban?" I'd say "xu do se bangu la lojban". Is "=F4=D9 = =C7=CF=D7=CF=D2=C9=DB=D8=20 =D0=CF-=CC=CF=D6=C2=C1=CE=D3=CB=C9" proper Russian? Btw, what about "=C2=D5= =D2=D5=DB=C1=D3=CB=C9=CA =D1=DA=D9=CB"? (language=20 isolate spoken in Hunza) You may want to point out that "xu", like "=CC=C9"= , can=20 follow the word being questioned. > ti me ma (=FC=D4=CF =DE=D4=CF ?) > plise (=D1=C2=CC=CF=CB=CF) That has to be either "ti me ma? -- lo plise" or "ti mo? -- plise". "=FE=D4= =CF =CF=CE=20 =C4=C5=CC=C1=C5=D4" is "mo", not "me ma". Enough comments for now. Keep up the good work! Pierre --=20 lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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