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{lo xekri} means "The black/dark thing". If you want "The blackness",
you need to use a {ka} abstraction (hinted by the "-ness" suffix),
e.g. {lo ka xekri} or {lo kamxekri} or {lo kamxe'i}.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Chris Patrick
<neuroticmnemonics@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm rather the nintadni, and I was attempting to translate a
> few random snippets of text into lojban for practice. I was translating t=
he
> One Ring inscription, and this is what I came up with.
>
> (the One Ring inscription in Black Speech)
>
> Ash nazg durbatul=FBk,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 [ash]: one [nazg]: finger ring [durb-]
> constrain; force; dominate [-at] participle [ul] them [ul=FBk] completive=
 form
> of 'them'
> ash nazg gimbatul,=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0 [gimb-]: seek out; discover
> ash nazg thrakatul=FBk=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
 [thrak-]: bring by force; drag; to
> compel (something or someone) to go
> agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 [agh]: and [burzum=
]: darkness [ishi]:
> in; inside [krimp-]: bind;=A0 tie
>
> Translated:
> pa lo degja'i ku minde ro ri
> .i pa lo degja'i ku facki ri
> .i pa lo degja'i ku klami'e ri
> .i ri jongau ra ne'i lo xekri
>
> As I hope you're able to tell, I tried to keep the metre of the original.
> The main questions I had when translating:
> - {manku} doesn't rhyme with "ri", so I used {xekri}. Does {lo xekri} mea=
n
> "the blackness"? Is there a word with similar meaning to {manku} that I
> could use and still have the line rhyme?
> - I couldn't find a gismu for "retrive", in line 3. Would {bevri} have
> worked there? Or is it fine the way I did it?
>
> Any relevant advice or corrections would be much appreciated.
>
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