Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:63900) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SECu4-0006Op-Hh; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:37 -0700 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf1501561wib.16 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mtKlOIvh1GvzdSI/g3JngEDaiGrwBjx47MG00/dc3Bg=; b=Z6bAUP3Xa46lcp/XMerQj3OK4J95BwQCsufszB6v2owXwc7ICcTNnHzfi23+FbKHAh UOPT4WGqquM6ipeKnL/RCA+TFJmiQYNFVe7NBEPX0cn21H9/qMFcxQEUb6O8gzj+TrAo 8jICe1k604wiAmYaR4soUsz/rox+UJpesNIok= Received: by 10.204.131.67 with SMTP id w3mr159191bks.33.1333256403637; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.156.65 with SMTP id v1ls4225690bkw.4.gmail; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.18 with SMTP id u18mr274937bkw.3.1333256401960; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.18 with SMTP id u18mr274936bkw.3.1333256401932; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f49.google.com (mail-bk0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15si17735610bkz.0.2012.03.31.22.00.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Received: by bkcjk13 with SMTP id jk13so1976881bkc.36 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.136.198 with SMTP id s6mr1561253bkt.129.1333256401711; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.73.1 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:00:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7667321.521.1332662001096.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbvs10> <24714118.122.1332683393922.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynuu20> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 01:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Younger sister and older brother. Any lujvo suggestions ? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cac7837f1d504bc96f2c2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 9643 --0015175cac7837f1d504bc96f2c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But don't forget, MA, that a tanru can include interposed arguments. I.E. "citmau be mi mensi" --gejyspa On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > An older/younger sibling is older/younger relative to the person whose > sibling they are. E.g., My younger brother is younger than *I* am. > I've had a problem all my life with describing my brother who is a year > younger than I am. I've called him my older brother, because he's the old= er > of my two brothers, but he's still younger than I am. OTOH, calling him m= y > older brother implies that he is older than I am. (Now I just don't talk > about him.) > So the seltau {citmau} may not be the best word to use for the meaning yo= u > want. > stevo > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, gleki wrote= : > >> So {citmau mensi} ? >> Several languages in Tatoeba look like they have separate words for olde= r >> and younger sister. >> >> >> On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:17:29 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote: >>> >>> Why do you need lujvo for such words? I suggest trying it with tanru >>> first, then if the need (or desire) is great enough, create a lujvo. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 3:53 AM, gleki wrot= e: >>> >>>> In some languages there are specific words for younger sister, older >>>> sister. >>>> This is the problem I faced in Tatoeba when translating some sentences= . >>>> >>>> I believe we need lujvo for such words. >>>> {citmau} or {citno} {mensi} are ambiguous. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/=E2=80=8Bmsg/lojban-beginners/-/=E2=80=8BI= mGVPwDC9IEJ >>>> . >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.=E2= =80=8Bcom >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@=E2=80=8Bgooglegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/=E2=80=8Bgroup/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/TT9R9d0gLKAJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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=C2=A0 But don't forget, MA, that a tanru can include = interposed arguments. =C2=A0I.E. "citmau be mi mensi"
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa


On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.com> w= rote:
An older/younger sibling is older/younger re= lative to the person whose sibling they are. E.g., My younger brother is yo= unger than *I* am.=C2=A0
I've had a problem all my life with describing my brother who is a year= younger than I am. I've called him my older brother, because he's = the older of my two brothers, but he's still younger than I am. OTOH, c= alling him my older brother implies that he is older than I am. (Now I just= don't talk about him.)=C2=A0
So the seltau {citmau} may not be the best word to use for the meaning= you want.=C2=A0
stevo

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM, gle= ki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
So {citmau mensi} ?
Several languages in= Tatoeba look like they have separate words for older and younger sister.


On Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:17:29 PM UTC+4, stevo wrote:Why do you need lujvo for such words? I s= uggest trying it with tanru first, then if the need (or desire) is great en= ough, create a lujvo.=C2=A0

stevo

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012= at 3:53 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
In some languages there are specific words f= or younger sister, older sister.
This is the problem I faced in Tatoeba= when translating some sentences.

I believe we need lujvo for such words.
{citm= au} or {citno} {mensi} are ambiguous.

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