Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:65205) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SGQjt-0006PZ-SI; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:11:24 -0700 Received: by lbky2 with SMTP id y2sf917924lbk.16 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:11:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I0hb9XLb9zQ3BvXDb7c/fSoT8iALjab5c8h5lt89jnI=; b=dxMq+tecHm9HYkVsYioiEaAbomY88M2zWvV5G4vWGBI5sK7LSjKEpdHHIHLGHYUuk3 jqw3dMtf/LJIaYQB9SAv2a7KAD74lqrFWhOwTbMBVQXpigyYBJuTqff54YtF1bx6M/uI mpHIM124Y69aimCidnm4e2CoXexyfIYaPicHk= Received: by 10.204.157.150 with SMTP id b22mr24599bkx.7.1333786242953; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.128.6 with SMTP id hc6ls3587154bkc.3.gmail; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr77054bkc.5.1333786242178; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr77053bkc.5.1333786242156; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8si11561550bka.1.2012.04.07.01.10.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.173; Received: by lbol12 with SMTP id l12so1288972lbo.18 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.104.43 with SMTP id gb11mr1183868lab.8.1333786241759; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.44.129 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 01:10:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2368974.1888.1333785451723.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbtv42> References: <6323635.529.1333705503307.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynne15> <759702.1608.1333771279479.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynmc17> <2368974.1888.1333785451723.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbtv42> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 02:10:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: What is the shortest way to say "It's 5 miles ahead" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040713dd2579f804bd124fde X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5770 --f46d040713dd2579f804bd124fde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In "PA1 lo PA1 broda", PA1 is how many broda there are (in context, not in the entire universe), and PA2 is how many of PA1 you're talking about, IIRC. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:57 AM, ianek wrote: > > > On Saturday, April 7, 2012 6:01:19 AM UTC+2, Lindar wrote: >> >> .i ko ca'u klama seji'e lo minli be li mu >> "Go straight up to five miles." >> .i ko ca'u klama sela'u lo minli be li mu >> "G straight for five miles." >> >> Saying {lo mu minli} is like "some unspecified number of five of some >> unspecified (though probably one) miles which may or may not be contiguous >> and by context probably are not or I would have just said so explicitly". >> Don't be lazy. <3 >> > > According to > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+gadri > {lo PA broda} means {zo'e noi ke'a broda gi'e zilkancu li PA lo broda}. > How is it "some unspecified number of PA broda"? > > Maybe your version is logical, but not practical. You usually don't talk > about some unspecified number of five cows, so making it a default option > is weird. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/cz95VMpjTV8J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d040713dd2579f804bd124fde Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In "PA1 lo PA1 broda", PA1 is how many broda there are (in contex= t, not in the entire universe), and PA2 is how many of PA1 you're talki= ng about, IIRC.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:= 57 AM, ianek <jan= ek37@gmail.com> wrote:


On Saturday, April= 7, 2012 6:01:19 AM UTC+2, Lindar wrote:
.i ko ca'u klama seji'e lo minli be li mu
"Go straight up = to five miles."
.i ko ca'u klama sela'u lo minli be li= mu
"G straight for five miles."

Saying {lo mu minli} is like "some unspecified number of five of = some unspecified (though probably one) miles which may or may not be contig= uous and by context probably are not or I would have just said so explicitl= y". Don't be lazy. <3

{lo PA broda} means {zo'e noi ke'a broda gi'e zilkancu li = PA lo broda}.
How is it "some unspecified number of PA b= roda"?

Maybe your version is logical, but not= practical. You usually don't talk about some unspecified number of fiv= e cows, so making it a default option is weird.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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