Received: from mail-qa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:61267) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNlzy-0002ZN-4y; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:18:20 -0700 Received: by qadz32 with SMTP id z32sf653358qad.16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0yTSyFPKtFs2kLTId2y0iFzxHnoYpLfI993lvcVVMD0=; b=v3/0M5inhan2GR3no7nt9rsW+0YQzlsdmmupkhOC7jbOr8EpZA0lHU8v5x58KppYex GuIbi05EcA8ED2NKS0QE5hjusATJbEvmECSIm6WpLAbZiMWumDL9MUf5fRwHSP5DOzDw 5LVuiX1MmO65MeItjA0H1WGnhByQMxisUV3tk= Received: by 10.50.178.2 with SMTP id cu2mr245005igc.2.1335536287209; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.84.14 with SMTP id h14ls1777289ibl.7.gmail; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.142.202 with SMTP id t10mr9041014icu.4.1335536286270; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.213.40 with SMTP id np8msigc; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.214.102 with SMTP id nz6mr2158107igc.4.1335527892318; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.214.102 with SMTP id nz6mr2158106igc.4.1335527892307; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wf3si1115958igb.3.2012.04.27.04.58.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.181; Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so1027825obb.12 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.52.104 with SMTP id s8mr13900468obo.59.1335527892009; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.45.163 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:58:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4875290.11.1335523235974.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> References: <4875290.11.1335523235974.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Linked sumti in the main bridi From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1353 On 27 April 2012 11:40, ianek wrote: > In a recent thread there seemed to be an assumption that {ko'a broda be ko'e > ko'i} means the same as {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i}, ie. linked sumti eliminate > the filled brivla places. Where is the source of this fact? I looked into > http://dag.github.com/cll/5/7/ and didn't find it. Not that I have an official source to offer, but, rationally speaking: ko'a broda ko'e ko'i = fa ko'a fe ko'e fi ko'i broda ko'a broda be ko'e ko'i = fa ko'a fe ko'e fi ko'i broda The same terbri filling the same selbri. As far as the effective meaning of the bridi is concerned, they are identical. I think the linked sumti no more 'eliminate' the places than the unlinked sumti do. {broda be ko'e be'o fo'e} is as valid as {broda ko'e fe fo'e}, examples of which can be found in xorxes' {lo nu binxo} if I remember correctly. {broda be ko'e be'o fo'e} and {broda ko'e fe fo'e} should make as much sense as {broda ko'e .i broda fo'e}. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.