Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:50203) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SNopq-00044m-Gc; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:20:06 -0700 Received: by qcsq5 with SMTP id q5sf970857qcs.16 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lnooImin9vhXRbF6pp42gDSU9wyS9B3ub25o3B35eNA=; b=IQTLfCdJOso8BUsB3hsYKYU96AIarYwTWBhEDDhBI5MyGUOz4iuP6oP1ZC10JM8PNJ 0hwZu5i1D0oWbGd7ev7mjcjx7fcXX0vZe17UBUr02JPgEHw1pk+nDmjzdto/syonBYIw P6fz4euyDv5jJkFpcxQurui0Gy0Dr8xeyVHHE= Received: by 10.68.219.35 with SMTP id pl3mr531065pbc.15.1335547190125; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.80.74 with SMTP id s10ls1900812ibk.0.gmail; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.6.167 with SMTP id c7mr3623490iga.1.1335547188336; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.6.167 with SMTP id c7mr3623489iga.1.1335547188325; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id em8si1546568igc.2.2012.04.27.10.19.47; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 10:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2977C1D299 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] How to say "xr" or "rx" ? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 13:19:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <4574E1B6-EB25-4E85-BC37-C25EE7563DAD@polytechnique.org> In-Reply-To: <4574E1B6-EB25-4E85-BC37-C25EE7563DAD@polytechnique.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204271319.43692.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1388 On Friday, April 27, 2012 03:58:00 Alan Schmitt wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I'm starting to learn Lojban, and I have some difficulty understanding th= e > difference in the pronunciation of 'x' and 'r'. As I'm French, I pronounc= e > the 'r' as https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/API_%CA%81 and I find it quite > difficult to combine it with the 'x' https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/API_x = . >=20 > Do you have any suggestion as how to pronounce "xr" and "rx"? Moi, je ne grasseye pas le 'r' en lojban sauf dans quelques noms. Je le rou= le.=20 "xr" est un roulement simultan=E9 de l'uvule et de la langue; "rx" est=20 s=E9quentiel. Me, I don't gargle the 'r' except in some names. I roll it, or tap it (whic= h I=20 don't know how to say in French). "xr" is a simultaneous roll of the tongue= =20 and uvula; "rx" is sequential. le xruki le ginxre xrixruba xu xrula cu xrani? .i rirxrxrazdani rirxyxrazda= ni mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.