Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:40361) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SOp8P-0008VA-6X; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:23 -0700 Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3sf2225875lag.16 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CeotMygJAELZlCDeQn7V0Eyqkw4aqiYWtioS4R9Jy2Y=; b=ie/cyEtsmNfPTn4Rs7QmCq3Lmtuu1BXWJ2hxiJpdA9sXqsOea2mkoa6aXf1hDCZNks rDhSuNBpB2KNzUbduovsd9yzBEj45Tb8wfiN8tXN6SzMkBpE+fDKZwV8t3Zzvs/3x9fV EfhSEehZ1HktAapDdth1X47ubCQdXHs+GkM+I= Received: by 10.204.157.20 with SMTP id z20mr323112bkw.9.1335786668780; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.156.65 with SMTP id v1ls1551997bkw.4.gmail; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr723428bkc.2.1335786666939; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr723427bkc.2.1335786666916; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com (mail-lb0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si12199880bkc.2.2012.04.30.04.51.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.169; Received: by lbjn8 with SMTP id n8so1396506lbj.28 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.47.228 with SMTP id g4mr1884899lbn.92.1335786666281; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 04:51:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201204300742.05681.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201204300742.05681.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:51:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] lujvo as prefix for fu'vla? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec554ddfebd4aa504bee411b1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4585 --bcaec554ddfebd4aa504bee411b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Arg. I misunderstood the question. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, April 30, 2012 03:16:25 jongausib wrote: > > I just wonder if it's possible to have lujvo as prefix for fu'ivla. > > > > For example: I guess "nanba" include all kind of things you can make > > by mixing grain (flour) and liquid, like bread, pastry, cake, cookie, > > etc. > > > > If I would like to specify that the loanword "semla" has something to > > do with a cake/pastry, not a brown bread, could you construct the > > fu'ivla "titnanbrsemla"? > > No. A type-3 fu'ivla has only one rafsi classifier. I don't know what the > counterexample is, since not I figured it out, but if you try to use two > rafsi > prefixes in a type-3 fu'ivla, you can run into trouble. 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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Monday, April 30, 2012 03:16:25 jongausib wrote:
> I just wonder if it's possible to have lujvo as prefix for fu'ivla.
>
> For example: I guess "nanba" include all kind of things you can make
> by mixing grain (flour) and liquid, like bread, pastry, cake, cookie,
> etc.
>
> If I would like to specify that the loanword "semla" has something to
> do with a cake/pastry, not a brown bread, could you construct the
> fu'ivla "titnanbrsemla"?

No. A type-3 fu'ivla has only one rafsi classifier. I don't know what the
counterexample is, since not I figured it out, but if you try to use two rafsi
prefixes in a type-3 fu'ivla, you can run into trouble. "titnanbrsemla" is a
type-4 fu'ivla.

Pierre
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