Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:35488) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SS7tr-00034w-O4; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:30:01 -0700 Received: by lbol5 with SMTP id l5sf251646lbo.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oLc7f911KQLLrTnY6/KAGJgz7v5mw0GL5iTkYgX+d3g=; b=yZ5XXwdh8MS3ZMaSPJlrjGh0Sf9LW1+35D5C8XdKX2pZPSCGuORU5EeZxQ0CxNdUgL 6mKnG8dpriky/IRrqVZ/sZV21g7vlE24cFk9VKu/+fNkSBF6sSCwC7V/e/HOHPObIU7X wgjP7RqKRQqPnRTLbYo9WeMk0pXUA+vUceaqw= Received: by 10.204.155.143 with SMTP id s15mr21734bkw.3.1336573787224; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.5.133 with SMTP id 5ls4068483bkv.0.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr55313bkw.3.1336573786549; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.152.217 with SMTP id h25mr55312bkw.3.1336573786527; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k15si3332076bks.0.2012.05.09.07.29.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.47; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f47.google.com with SMTP id s15so265255lag.20 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.84.168 with SMTP id a8mr106857lbz.92.1336573786301; Wed, 09 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 07:29:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 08:29:46 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016cadbfa6ae04bf9b554e X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4158 --f46d04016cadbfa6ae04bf9b554e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:25 AM, ianek wrote: > So let's change it! I mean, we should gather complaints like that and make > new versions of Lojban from time to time (once a couple of years?). > > If there are annoying things in Lojban and we know how to fix them, then > we should stop complaining and do something! It's our language, there's > nobody to stop us! > > I have similar thoughts about jbovlaste, but I'll better start another > thread for that. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > Well, as far as gismu are concerned, we're not currently allowed to make any changes. By the statutes of our community, the "baseline" of the language is not allowed to change until the entirety has been documented. This only means gismu and cmavo, btw. We're allowed to make and edit as many lujvo, fu'ivla, and cmevla as we want. In other words, when the goal as stated on this pagehas been met, then we can start actually making improvements to the base language, such as regulating the place structures to remove exceptions. Until then, however, when it comes to the baseline, all we can do is talk, moan, discuss, and complain. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04016cadbfa6ae04bf9b554e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:25 AM, ianek <janek37= @gmail.com> wrote:
So let's change it! I mean, we should gather complaints= like that and make new versions of Lojban from time to time (once a couple= of years?).

If there are annoying things in Lojba= n and we know how to fix them, then we should stop complaining and do somet= hing! It's our language, there's nobody to stop us!

I have similar thoughts about jbovlaste, but I'll b= etter start another thread for that.

mu'o mi&#= 39;e ianek

Well, as far as gismu are concerned, = we're not currently allowed to make any changes. By the statutes of our= community, the "baseline" of the language is not allowed to chan= ge until the entirety has been documented. This only means gismu and cmavo,= btw. We're allowed to make and edit as many lujvo, fu'ivla, and cm= evla as we want.

In other words, when the goal as stated on=A0this page has been met, then we can st= art actually making improvements to the base language, such as regulating t= he place structures to remove exceptions. Until then, however, when it come= s to the baseline, all we can do is talk, moan, discuss, and complain.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko c= mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the = Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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