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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

>
>
>> .ui does require the initial pause, there are no exceptions to the vowel
>> initial is preceded by pause rule.
>>
>
> First of all, stop calling it a pause. Second of all, this is not an
> exception. A Lojban word may not begin in a vowel (spelling doesn't matter
> here). A word that would begin in a vowel needs a denpa bu before it. ui
> does not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed.


First of all, it /is/ a pause, so that's what I'm calling it. It is the
textual representation of a mandatory pause in a Lojban speech stream.
Secondly, .ui /does/ begin in a vowel. .ubu is a vowel. It is not a
"sometimes-consonant" like English 'y'. .abu, .ebu, .ibu, .obu, .ubu, and
.ybu are /always/ vowels. They are never /not/ vowels.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Miles Forster <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">=
m3o@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
.ui does require the initial pause, there are no exceptions to the vowel in=
itial is preceded by pause rule.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
First of all, stop calling it a pause. Second of all, this is not an except=
ion. A Lojban word may not begin in a vowel (spelling doesn&#39;t matter he=
re). A word that would begin in a vowel needs a denpa bu before it. ui does=
 not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed.</blockquote>
<div><br>First of all, it /is/ a pause, so that&#39;s what I&#39;m calling =
it. It is the textual representation of a mandatory pause in a Lojban speec=
h stream. Secondly, .ui /does/ begin in a vowel. .ubu is a vowel. It is not=
 a &quot;sometimes-consonant&quot; like English &#39;y&#39;. .abu, .ebu, .i=
bu, .obu, .ubu, and .ybu are /always/ vowels. They are never /not/ vowels.<=
br>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"H=
OEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">-- <br>
.i da xamgu ganse fi no na&#39;ebo lo risna<br>
.i lo vajrai cu nonselji&#39;u lo kanla<br>
<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
uk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. =
:D )<br>
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