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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>   While not denying the badness of the model not being consistent, you do
> realize that you can add additional places in utterance to gismu without
> fanfare, right? "mi tixnu la djan lo za'i {adopt}" -> "mi tixnu la djan
> do'e la za'i {adopt}".  And it wouldn't be hard for the listener/reader to
> understand the nature of the "x3" place.
>

Yes, I know. In the particular case of the familial relationship valsi, I
would not be surprised if people often assumed that the word /did/ have a
"by bond" x3 if someone filled three places in such a bridi. Which is why
I've decided to "pretend" they all /do/ have that x3, regardless of the
currently official definition, because it doesn't harm anything and it's
actually friggin' useful to boot.

I was responding to gleki's plea, in an attempt to explain how changing the
place structure of the exception valsi to match the rest of their groups'
would be a /good/ thing. It has nothing to do with the Lojban translation
of the comic.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turnians=
ky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 While not denying the badness of the model not being c=
onsistent, you do realize that you can add additional places in utterance t=
o gismu without fanfare, right? &quot;mi tixnu la djan lo za&#39;i {adopt}&=
quot; -&gt; &quot;mi tixnu la djan do&#39;e la za&#39;i {adopt}&quot;. =A0A=
nd it wouldn&#39;t be hard for the listener/reader to understand the nature=
 of the &quot;x3&quot; place.</div>
</blockquote><div><br>Yes, I know. In the particular case of the familial r=
elationship valsi, I would not be surprised if people often assumed that th=
e word /did/ have a &quot;by bond&quot; x3 if someone filled three places i=
n such a bridi. Which is why I&#39;ve decided to &quot;pretend&quot; they a=
ll /do/ have that x3, regardless of the currently official definition, beca=
use it doesn&#39;t harm anything and it&#39;s actually friggin&#39; useful =
to boot.<br>
<br>I was responding to gleki&#39;s plea, in an attempt to explain how chan=
ging the place structure of the exception valsi to match the rest of their =
groups&#39; would be a /good/ thing. It has nothing to do with the Lojban t=
ranslation of the comic.<br>
=A0</div></div>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cm=
ima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the D=
ot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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