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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > As to some of your other questions. I have no problem with panel 31 > using barda fi, although I do agree that "bramau" would be "more correct". > [...] Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FUZZY_CPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 1.3 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug 2.2 DRUGS_ERECTILE Refers to an erectile drug Content-Length: 4203 --f46d04426aa46011f204bf9ba624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > As to some of your other questions. I have no problem with panel 31 > using barda fi, although I do agree that "bramau" would be "more correct". > Yes, it would. My reason for choosing barda are entirely out of a desire for simplicity in the words presented, and barda is simpler than bramau. I wouldn't use the phrase "more correct", though. barda is still "correct", it's just that bramau is a "better choice". If you don't believe that you can own a pet, that's okay, that just > means "la clalis ponse lo mlatu na'e bo la aionys" :-) > (in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'o" works, too. > > --gejyspa > I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property, but is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really important, as it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing grammar. -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04426aa46011f204bf9ba624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
As to some of your other questions. =A0 I have no problem = with panel 31 using barda fi, although I do agree that "bramau" w= ould be "more correct".

Yes, it would.= My reason for choosing=20 barda are entirely out of a desire for simplicity in the words=20 presented, and barda is simpler than bramau. I wouldn't use the phrase = "more correct", though. barda is still "correct", it= 9;s just that bramau is a "better choice".

=A0 =A0If you don't believe that you c= an own a pet, that's okay, that just means "la clalis ponse lo mla= tu na'e bo la aionys" =A0:-)
=A0 =A0(in any case, you're okay here, because "se dalpe'= o" works, too.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

I think the relationship between a pet and it's caretaker is a unique= =20 bond that has similarities to the relationship between a person and his=20 friends, and boss and her subordinates, and a person and his property,=20 but is not truly the same as any of these. But that's not really=20 important, as it's a philosophical opinion and we're discussing gra= mmar.

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