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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] 'tesete' and cmavo cluster rules
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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 09:41:26 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > As far as omitting denpabu, when in text there is any combination of ' =
'
> > and '.', it is permissible to omit all of '.' and ' ' except one, such =
as
> > {la.djan. .uisai xruti .i mi mutce gleki} could be written as {la djan
> > uisai i mi mutce gleki}, {la.djan.uisai xruti.i mi mutce gleki}, etc. I
> > typically only omit either when there is a semantic(?) link between the=
m,
> > and I always favor '.' over ' ', so my rendering would be {la.djan.uisa=
i
> > xruti .i mi mutce gleki}. My reason for choosing to omit ' ' and not '.=
'
> is
> > because when speaking, those pauses /must/ /still/ /be/ /"said"/, and
> > keeping the '.' in the written serves as a reminder of when you /must/
> > pause.
>
> If a cmevla is followed by a word beginning with a vowel, I omit one of t=
he
> denpa bu; which one is arbitrary. I omit the space only within a compound
> cmene (e.g. "misisipis.rirx", "kot.divu=E1r") or cmavo cluster (e.g. "na.=
e",
> "te.u"). So I'd write "la .djan. uisai xruti .i mi mutce gleki".
>
> Btw, it's "denpa bu", not "denpabu", which is a zi'evla. The proper brivl=
a
> is
> "depybu'i".
>
> Pierre
> --
> I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales.
>

I have a tendency to do that. I'm trying to break the habit. It's because
usually when I type bu, it's immediately after a lerfu, not a valsi, and I
don't space them- which is where the bad habit of "denpabu" comes from.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Pierre Abbat <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">=
phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, May 09, 2012 09:41:26 Jonathan Jones wrote:=
<br>
&gt; As far as omitting denpabu, when in text there is any combination of &=
#39; &#39;<br>
&gt; and &#39;.&#39;, it is permissible to omit all of &#39;.&#39; and &#39=
; &#39; except one, such as<br>
&gt; {la.djan. .uisai xruti .i mi mutce gleki} could be written as {la djan=
<br>
&gt; uisai i mi mutce gleki}, {la.djan.uisai xruti.i mi mutce gleki}, etc. =
I<br>
&gt; typically only omit either when there is a semantic(?) link between th=
em,<br>
&gt; and I always favor &#39;.&#39; over &#39; &#39;, so my rendering would=
 be {la.djan.uisai<br>
&gt; xruti .i mi mutce gleki}. My reason for choosing to omit &#39; &#39; a=
nd not &#39;.&#39; is<br>
&gt; because when speaking, those pauses /must/ /still/ /be/ /&quot;said&qu=
ot;/, and<br>
&gt; keeping the &#39;.&#39; in the written serves as a reminder of when yo=
u /must/<br>
&gt; pause.<br>
<br>
</div>If a cmevla is followed by a word beginning with a vowel, I omit one =
of the<br>
denpa bu; which one is arbitrary. I omit the space only within a compound<b=
r>
cmene (e.g. &quot;misisipis.rirx&quot;, &quot;kot.divu=E1r&quot;) or cmavo =
cluster (e.g. &quot;na.e&quot;,<br>
&quot;te.u&quot;). So I&#39;d write &quot;la .djan. uisai xruti .i mi mutce=
 gleki&quot;.<br>
<br>
Btw, it&#39;s &quot;denpa bu&quot;, not &quot;denpabu&quot;, which is a zi&=
#39;evla. The proper brivla is<br>
&quot;depybu&#39;i&quot;.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
I believe in Yellow when I&#39;m in Sweden and in Black when I&#39;m in Wal=
es.</font></span><br></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all">I have a tendency=
 to do that. I&#39;m trying to break the habit. It&#39;s because usually wh=
en I type bu, it&#39;s immediately after a lerfu, not a valsi, and I don&#3=
9;t space them- which is where the bad habit of &quot;denpabu&quot; comes f=
rom.<br>
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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