Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:39554) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSGz7-0008QC-9z; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:12:03 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf797873faa.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fC99cz8KALCP/y6lwgbrUdfx1iXiBjK6L0Hk8P+Ib4w=; b=ftWeQjaYzh90HmME5Nr7VhgbloHWNcaSiSsfBgQ6vM9dCJbq6AWdu4PvVlXy23dyPW 5QXapgngv7jSX4wKGbqJv2HsasrOk2M5nmxvMxDnSg61vzWxtLQ/W7vhnWhPa0S7oTW9 udFC2IrFOOBsCXd7/KD4vsPAESyvL6CwNu3Bw= Received: by 10.205.135.6 with SMTP id ie6mr870bkc.24.1336608709459; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls4501837bks.1.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.199 with SMTP id y7mr263255bkw.7.1336608708606; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.199 with SMTP id y7mr263254bkw.7.1336608708585; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f46.google.com (mail-bk0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si4918977bkc.2.2012.05.09.17.11.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by bkcji2 with SMTP id ji2so1175747bkc.33 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.129.8 with SMTP id hg8mr840378bkc.25.1336608708335; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.125.5 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <25972611.1368.1336607020784.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynll26> References: <22560097.502.1336568142532.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndm3> <25972611.1368.1336607020784.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynll26> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: 'tesete' and cmavo cluster rules From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0b8de439ad504bfa37785 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 5660 --000e0ce0b8de439ad504bfa37785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are talked about in the CLL here: http://dag.github.com/cll/4/2/ But basically, the rule about parsing is that if you can take a CVV (CV'V) or, if not, a CV off the front end of a "word", leaving something that is still a word, then it DOES FALL OFF. Repeat until you can't. That's the whole reason why there exists the hyphen rules about making lujvo and fu'ivla. For example misespati -> "mi te spati". Unambiguously. Aionys says, " As far as I know, the only rule about cmavo clustering is that you can't do it if the combination takes the form of a gismu, lujvo, fu'ivla, or other predicate-word (brivla) " But how can it ever? It can't. --gejyspa On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM, =C1lvaro Vallejo wrot= e: > Thank you very much to all. > > All this has been an excellent Lojban lesson. > > cmavo clusters should be analyzed formally somewhere (e.g. CLL or Lojban > for Beginners or sort of). I'll summarize all this discussion to reuse it > somewhere in the future. > > .u'onai > I already had the hunch tesete was te+se+te but I was coward trying to > analyze it as a bunch of conversions and trying to find some meaning. > > mu'o mi'e la .albaros > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/wpvmyw4Vm5MJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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=A0 They are talked about in the CLL here:=A0 http://dag.github.com/cll/4/2/=A0

=A0 But basically, the rule about parsing is that = if you can take a CVV (CV'V) or, if not, a CV off the front end of a &q= uot;word", leaving something that is still a word, then it DOES FALL O= FF. =A0Repeat until you can't. =A0 That's the whole reason why ther= e exists the hyphen rules about making lujvo and fu'ivla. =A0For exampl= e misespati -> "mi te spati". =A0Unambiguously.

=A0 Aionys says, " As far as I know, the only rule about cmavo clustering is that = you can't do it if the combination takes the form of a gismu, lujvo, fu= 'ivla, or other predicate-word (brivla)=A0"
=A0 B= ut how can it ever? =A0It can't.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM, =C1lvaro Vallejo &= lt;avallejor@gmail= .com> wrote:
Thank you very much to all.

All this = has been an excellent Lojban lesson.

cmavo clusters should be analy= zed formally somewhere (e.g. CLL or Lojban for Beginners or sort of). I'= ;ll summarize all this discussion to reuse it somewhere in the future.

.u'onai
I already had the hunch tesete was te+se+te but I was co= ward trying to analyze it as a bunch of conversions and trying to find some= meaning.

mu'o mi'e la .albaros


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