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Content preview: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Anyway, before I upload the modified comic, are there any other errors > > anyone sees? > > 22/23/24: "ta" should be "tu" since it's away from both speaker and > listener. > [...] Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FUZZY_CPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 1.3 DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU Obfuscated reference to an erectile drug 2.2 DRUGS_ERECTILE Refers to an erectile drug Content-Length: 10323 --f46d0401fa337cce5b04bf8f5b6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Anyway, before I upload the modified comic, are there any other errors > > anyone sees? > > 22/23/24: "ta" should be "tu" since it's away from both speaker and > listener. > Right, my mistake. I think it's because the Ceqli version used "ka" (the equivalent to "ta") that messed me up. > 26: "ji'a" should be after "la clalis" since it's her that is the > additional person having a pet, it's not about her having a pet in > addition to doing something else to it. > Noted. 31: I would use "bramau" rather than "fi" here. It seems like she's > making straightforward comparisons. > Well, yes, but I was trying to keep the grammar simple. Part of that was using gismu instead of lujvo if at all possible, especially in the earlier panels. That's not to say I won't do it, just that I'd like other opinions on the matter as well. > 32/33/34: I think "norbra" is better than "na'obra", and I would also > prefer "brana'o" to "na'obra". > Do you have any particular reason for this, or is it just a personal preference? Also, would you prefer "norbra" over "brana'o" or vice-versa? > 38: misplaced "ji'a" again. > > 43: "sepli" should be "sepsi'u", and "kansa" is about doing something > together, not really about location. I suggest "jonsi'u" or > "tolsepsi'u" instead. > Okay, the sepsi'u thing I get, but lo te kansa is an event /or/ state. I agree that "jonsi'u" is a better choice here, but I'd prefer to use gismu as I said above, I can't use any word involving jorne in the later panels, and the repitition of the word in multiple examples is kind of the point of those panels. Do you have a suggestion I can use in place of sepli/kansa I can use in all those panels? > 48/49: misplaced "ji'a". > > 63: To me "ko'a pafspe ko'e" means "ko'a speni lo patfu be ko'e", and > "ko'a be'aspe ko'e" is "ko'a speni lo bersa be ko'e". > So, "spepa'u" and "spebe'a"? > 64: Similarly for "mamspe" (no need for "y"). > "spemamta"? > 67: "pa ki'o pa no no" is "1,100", not "1,000,100", which is "pa ki'o > ki'o pa no no". "du" is better than "mintu" for the equals sign. > Calling "-" sumji and "/" pilji is extremely weird. > Agreed, but mekso is awful, and I don't understand it, so I chose not to use it. If you can re-do the examples using mekso, I'll put those in instead. Ah, yeah. Hmm. I think my reason for the sumji pliji weirdness was order. "li vo sumji li re li re" is "the number 4 is the sum of the number 2 and the number 2", yes, but it could also be read as "the number 4 less by the number 2 is the number 2". Now that I think about it, that sounds really stupid to me. Again, I don't understand mekso, so I did my best at the time= . > 72: x3 of "zmadu" should be a property, not a number. > Um, the x3 of zmadu is a propery /or/ quantity. lo se nanca is a quantity, specifically a quantity of years, unless I'm missing something. > mu'o mi'e xorxes > 22-24,26,38,48,49,63,and 64 have been changed as per your critique. I'm going to wait on your response before I do anything to the others. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d0401fa337cce5b04bf8f5b6f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas= <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyway, before I upload the modified comic, are there any other errors=
> anyone sees?

22/23/24: "ta" should be "tu" since it's away= from both speaker and listener.

Right, my mistake= . I think it's because the Ceqli version used "ka" (the equiv= alent to "ta") that messed me up.
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26: "ji'a" should be after "la clalis" since it'= ;s her that is the
additional person having a pet, it's not about her having a pet in
addition to doing something else to it.

Noted.
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31: I would use "bramau" rather than "fi" here. It seem= s like she's
making straightforward comparisons.

Well, yes, but= I was trying to keep the grammar simple. Part of that was using gismu inst= ead of lujvo if at all possible, especially in the earlier panels. That'= ;s not to say I won't do it, just that I'd like other opinions on t= he matter as well.
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32/33/34: I think "norbra" is better than "na'obra"= , and I would also
prefer "brana'o" to "na'obra".
=

Do you have any particular reason for this, or is it just a person= al preference? Also, would you prefer "norbra" over "brana&#= 39;o" or vice-versa?
=A0
38: misplaced "ji'a" again.

43: "sepli" should be "sepsi'u", and "kansa&qu= ot; is about doing something
together, not really about location. I suggest "jonsi'u" or "tolsepsi'u" instead.

Okay, the seps= i'u thing I get, but lo te kansa is an event /or/ state. I agree that &= quot;jonsi'u" is a better choice here, but I'd prefer to use g= ismu as I said above, I can't use any word involving jorne in the later= panels, and the repitition of the word in multiple examples is kind of the= point of those panels.

Do you have a suggestion I can use in place of sepli/kansa I can use in= all those panels?
=A0
48/49: misplaced "ji'a".

63: To me "ko'a pafspe ko'e" means "ko'a speni l= o patfu be ko'e", and
"ko'a be'aspe ko'e" is "ko'a speni lo bersa = be ko'e".

So, "spepa'u" and= "spebe'a"?
=A0
64: Similarly for "mamspe" (no need for "y").

"spemamta"?
=A0
67: "pa ki'o pa no no" is "1,100", not "1,000,= 100", which is "pa ki'o
ki'o pa no no". "du" is better than "mintu" fo= r the equals sign.
Calling "-" sumji and "/" pilji is extremely weird.
=

Agreed, but mekso is awful, and I don't understan= d it, so I chose not to use it. If you can re-do the examples using mekso, = I'll put those in instead.

Ah, yeah. Hmm. I think my reason for the sumji pliji weirdness was orde= r. "li vo sumji li re li re" is "the number 4 is the sum of = the number 2 and the number 2", yes, but it could also be read as &quo= t;the number 4 less by the number 2 is the number 2". Now that I think= about it, that sounds really stupid to me. Again, I don't understand m= ekso, so I did my best at the time.
=A0
72: x3 of "zmadu" should be a property, not a number.

Um, the x3 of zmadu is a propery /or/ quantity. lo se nanca i= s a quantity, specifically a quantity of years, unless I'm missing some= thing.
=A0
mu'o mi'e xorxes

22-24,26,38,48,49,63,and = 64 have been changed as per your critique. I'm going to wait on your re= sponse before I do anything to the others.
=A0
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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
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