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Hello

Am 09.05.2012 14:55, schrieb =C1lvaro Vallejo:
> Hi,
>
> *Three questions:*
> *1)* I found another word that I am not able to make a sense:=20
> "tesete". Here the context:
> .i mi ba *tesete* cpedu lo prenu lenu klama gi'e cpacu le selponse be=20
> cy. li'u
>
> which is translated as:
> "I'll get someone to come by for his things."
>
> Could someone explain this term?
> *
> *

1) {te se te} is three words. You probably know what {se} and {te} do=20
individually. Here's what happens in the case of {te se te}:
broda =3D x1 broda x2 x3
te broda =3D x3 broda x2 x1
se te broda =3D x2 broda x3 x1
te se te broda =3D x1 broda x3 x2
In short: the x2 and x3 places are switched. This is always the case=20
when you have SEi SEj SEi: The xi and xj places are exchanged


> *2)* I've not been able to find the rules that governs *a)* clustering=20
> cmavo, e.g. .ibabo, .iku'i, leza'i, etc... *b)* omitting the initial=20
> period (e.g. i, ibabo, iku'i). Are these rules written somewhere or do=20
> they come from usage (I don't think so).

cmavo can always be clustered, but many prefer not to do this because it=20
obscures the constructs, for example you thought tesete was one word. I=20
personally discourage clustering for this reason.
The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are=20
/phonetically/ vowels. {ui} =3D [wi], so no dot is necessary).

Hope this helps,
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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.i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla

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    Hello<br>
    <br>
    Am 09.05.2012 14:55, schrieb &Aacute;lvaro Vallejo:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:22560097.502.1336568142532.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndm3"
      type="cite">Hi,<br>
      <br>
      <b>Three questions:</b><br>
      <b>1)</b> I found another word that I am not able to make a sense:
      "tesete". Here the context:<br>
      .i mi ba <b>tesete</b> cpedu lo prenu lenu klama gi'e cpacu le
      selponse be cy. li'u<br>
      <br>
      which is translated as:<br>
      "I'll get someone to come by for his things."<br>
      <br>
      Could someone explain this term?<br>
      <b><br>
      </b></blockquote>
    <br>
    1) {te se te} is three words. You probably know what {se} and {te}
    do individually. Here's what happens in the case of {te se te}:<br>
    broda = x1 broda x2 x3<br>
    te broda = x3 broda x2 x1<br>
    se te broda = x2 broda x3 x1<br>
    te se te broda = x1 broda x3 x2<br>
    In short: the x2 and x3 places are switched. This is always the case
    when you have SE<small>i </small>SE<small>j</small> SE<small>i</small>:
    The x<small>i</small> and x<small>j</small> places are exchanged<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:22560097.502.1336568142532.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yndm3"
      type="cite"><b>2)</b> I've not been able to find the rules that
      governs <b>a)</b> clustering cmavo, e.g. .ibabo, .iku'i, leza'i,
      etc... <b>b)</b> omitting the initial period (e.g. i, ibabo,
      iku'i). Are these rules written somewhere or do they come from
      usage (I don't think so).<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    cmavo can always be clustered, but many prefer not to do this
    because it obscures the constructs, for example you thought tesete
    was one word. I personally discourage clustering for this reason. <br>
    The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are <i>phonetically</i>
    vowels. {ui} = [wi], so no dot is necessary). <br>
    <br>
    Hope this helps,<br>
    mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br>
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.i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna 
.i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla</pre>
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