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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

>  Hello
>
> Am 09.05.2012 14:55, schrieb =C1lvaro Vallejo:
>
> Hi,
>
> *Three questions:*
> *1)* I found another word that I am not able to make a sense: "tesete".
> Here the context:
> .i mi ba *tesete* cpedu lo prenu lenu klama gi'e cpacu le selponse be cy.
> li'u
>
> which is translated as:
> "I'll get someone to come by for his things."
>
> Could someone explain this term?
> *
> *
>
>
> 1) {te se te} is three words. You probably know what {se} and {te} do
> individually. Here's what happens in the case of {te se te}:
> broda =3D x1 broda x2 x3
> te broda =3D x3 broda x2 x1
> se te broda =3D x2 broda x3 x1
> te se te broda =3D x1 broda x3 x2
> In short: the x2 and x3 places are switched. This is always the case when
> you have SEi SEj SEi: The xi and xj places are exchanged
>
>
>
> *2)* I've not been able to find the rules that governs *a)* clustering
> cmavo, e.g. .ibabo, .iku'i, leza'i, etc... *b)* omitting the initial
> period (e.g. i, ibabo, iku'i). Are these rules written somewhere or do th=
ey
> come from usage (I don't think so).
>
>
> cmavo can always be clustered, but many prefer not to do this because it
> obscures the constructs, for example you thought tesete was one word. I
> personally discourage clustering for this reason.
> The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are *
> phonetically* vowels. {ui} =3D [wi], so no dot is necessary).
>

.ui does require the initial pause, there are no exceptions to the vowel
initial is preceded by pause rule.


> Hope this helps,
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
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> .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Miles Forster <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m3o@plasmatix.com" target=3D"_blank">=
m3o@plasmatix.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
    Hello<br>
    <br>
    Am 09.05.2012 14:55, schrieb =C1lvaro Vallejo:
    <div class=3D"im"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi,<br>
      <br>
      <b>Three questions:</b><br>
      <b>1)</b> I found another word that I am not able to make a sense:
      &quot;tesete&quot;. Here the context:<br>
      .i mi ba <b>tesete</b> cpedu lo prenu lenu klama gi&#39;e cpacu le
      selponse be cy. li&#39;u<br>
      <br>
      which is translated as:<br>
      &quot;I&#39;ll get someone to come by for his things.&quot;<br>
      <br>
      Could someone explain this term?<br>
      <b><br>
      </b></blockquote>
    <br></div>
    1) {te se te} is three words. You probably know what {se} and {te}
    do individually. Here&#39;s what happens in the case of {te se te}:<br>
    broda =3D x1 broda x2 x3<br>
    te broda =3D x3 broda x2 x1<br>
    se te broda =3D x2 broda x3 x1<br>
    te se te broda =3D x1 broda x3 x2<br>
    In short: the x2 and x3 places are switched. This is always the case
    when you have SE<small>i </small>SE<small>j</small> SE<small>i</small>:
    The x<small>i</small> and x<small>j</small> places are exchanged<div cl=
ass=3D"im"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"><b>2)</b> I&#39;ve not been able to find the =
rules that
      governs <b>a)</b> clustering cmavo, e.g. .ibabo, .iku&#39;i, leza&#39=
;i,
      etc... <b>b)</b> omitting the initial period (e.g. i, ibabo,
      iku&#39;i). Are these rules written somewhere or do they come from
      usage (I don&#39;t think so).<br>
    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    cmavo can always be clustered, but many prefer not to do this
    because it obscures the constructs, for example you thought tesete
    was one word. I personally discourage clustering for this reason. <br>
    The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are <i>p=
honetically</i>
    vowels. {ui} =3D [wi], so no dot is necessary). <br></div></blockquote>=
<div><br>.ui does require the initial pause, there are no exceptions to the=
 vowel initial is preceded by pause rule.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
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    Hope this helps,<br>
    mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#=
888888"><br>
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.i da xamgu ganse fi no na&#39;ebo lo risna=20
.i lo vajrai cu nonselji&#39;u lo kanla</pre>
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