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.y bu is not "u". .u bu is. And the u in ui is not pronounced [u] but=20
[w] which *is* a consonant. Some here seem to lack reading=20
comprehension. It's annoying to argue with people who won't listen to=20
what the other person is saying.
Whether or not something is a vowel depends on the way it's pronounced,=20
not the way it's written.

mu'o

Am 10.05.2012 02:12, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>   It is, and it always does require a pause in front of it.  Miles is=20
> wrong.
>         --gejyspa
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> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM, =C1lvaro Vallejo <avallejor@gmail.com=20
> <mailto:avallejor@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     .uesai
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>     - "The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they
>     are /phonetically/ vowels. {ui} =3D [wi], so no dot is necessary). "
>     - "ui does not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed."
>
>     Well... I am really shocked! How is it that "u" is not a vowel? It
>     IS a vowel or I should start learning again Lojban from zero: it's
>     name is indeed ybu, isn't it?
>     (Chapter 1 of Lojban for beginners, Chapter 2 of CLL)...
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    .y bu is not "u". .u bu is. And the u in ui is not pronounced [u]
    but [w] which *is* a consonant. Some here seem to lack reading
    comprehension. It's annoying to argue with people who won't listen
    to what the other person is saying.<br>
    Whether or not something is a vowel depends on the way it's
    pronounced, not the way it's written.<br>
    <br>
    mu'o<br>
    <br>
    Am 10.05.2012 02:12, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAKOEKkRvC+aWyYx=KjcPJOtGrqVLC4pRuTN-AcOKWVRKZ7tEiQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">&nbsp; It is, and it always does require a pause in
        front of it. &nbsp;Miles is wrong.
        <div>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --gejyspa</div>
        <div><br>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM,
            &Aacute;lvaro Vallejo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avallejor@gmail.com"
                target="_blank">avallejor@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">.uesai
              <div class="im"><br>
                <br>
                - "The initial period can never be omitted before vowels
                (if they are <i>phonetically</i> vowels. {ui} = [wi],
                so no dot is necessary). "<br>
              </div>
              <div class="im">- "ui does not begin in a vowel.
                Therefore, no denpa bu is needed."<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              Well... I am really shocked! How is it that "u" is not a
              vowel? It IS a vowel or I should start learning again
              Lojban from zero: it's name is indeed ybu, isn't it?<br>
              (Chapter 1 of Lojban for beginners, Chapter 2 of CLL)...
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