Not to mention that the CLL specifically SAYS that "uV" and "iV" require a pause before them. (Chapter 4.2) You are right, Miles, "Some here seem to lack reading comprehension"

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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:04 AM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

.y bu is not "u". .u bu is. And the u in ui is not pronounced [u] but [w] which *is* a consonant. Some here seem to lack reading comprehension. It's annoying to argue with people who won't listen to what the other person is saying.
Whether or not something is a vowel depends on the way it's pronounced, not the way it's written.

I'm sorry, Miles, but you're wrong. There are no consonants in the Lojban word ".ui". Regardless of it's pronunciation as the leading vowel of a diphthong, u is still a vowel.

And just so we're clear, a diphthong is a sound represented by a combination of two vowels. In Lojban, the diphthong "ui" is pronounced as in the English word "we", but that does not suddenly make the "u" in it a consonant.
mu'o

Am 10.05.2012 02:12, schrieb Michael Turniansky:

It is, and it always does require a pause in front of it. Miles is wrong.
--gejyspa

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Álvaro Vallejo <avallejor@gmail.com> wrote:

.uesai

- "The initial period can never be omitted before vowels (if they are phonetically vowels. {ui} = [wi], so no dot is necessary). "

- "ui does not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed."

Well... I am really shocked! How is it that "u" is not a vowel? It IS a vowel or I should start learning again Lojban from zero: it's name is indeed ybu, isn't it?
(Chapter 1 of Lojban for beginners, Chapter 2 of CLL)...

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