On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:22 PM, =C1lvaro Vallej= o <avallejor@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for your opinion, but it is either very surprising to me or wrong.

Wrong.
=A0

Yes, it is .u bu, sure. My fault.

Probably I lack reading comprehens= ion, but here are my arguments:
1. (CLL, Chapter 3): "Lojban is des= igned so that any properly spoken Lojban utterance can be uniquely transcri= bed in writing, and any properly written Lojban can be spoken so as to be u= niquely reproduced by another person. As a consequence, the standard Lojban= orthography must assign to each distinct sound, or phoneme, a unique lette= r or symbol."

My reading of this is that there is only one way to pronounce u, which = is (among others) the plain Spanish "u".

Well, yes and no. Lojban has diphthongs, which as I said earlier, are a u= nique pronunciation represented by two adjacent vowels. So, .ubu is always = pronounced as in the word "flute" if it's not part of a dipht= hong.

The complete list of Lojban diphthongs and there pronunciations is:
=
"ai" - as in "aye"
"au" - as in= "wow"
"ei" - as in "tray" "oi" - as in "toy"

"ia" - as in= "Maya"
"ie" - as in "yes""ii" - as in "yeesh"
"io" - as in= "yo"
"iu" - as in "you"

"ua" - as in= "what"
"ue" - as in "wet""ui" - as in "we"
"uo" - a= s in "whoa"
"uu" - as in "woo"

2. It may be that speakers of other langu= ages can pronounce it as "w" (and I can forgive them), but I can/= do clearly pronounce it as plain "u": .ui =3D "u" + &qu= ot;i"

"ui", "u'i", and "u,i&qu= ot; (, the latter of which only appears in cmene, ) are all pronounced diff= erently. "ui" is "we", "u'i" is "ooh= ee", and "u,i" is "oo ee". "u,i" is the = one that should be pronounced "u" + "i", as you put it,= not "ui".
=A0

Anyway, this is = just my humble opinion.

mu'o mi'e la .alba= ros

On Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:04:23 AM UTC-5,= Miles Forster wrote:
=20 =20 =20
.y bu is not "u". .u bu is. And the u in ui is not pronounced= [u] but [w] which *is* a consonant. Some here seem to lack reading comprehension. It's annoying to argue with people who won't lis= ten to what the other person is saying.
Whether or not something is a vowel depends on the way it's pronounced, not the way it's written.

mu'o

Am 10.05.2012 02:12, schrieb Michael Turniansky:

=A0 It is, and it always does requ= ire a pause in front of it. =A0Miles is wrong.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM, =C1lvaro Vallejo <> wrote:

.uesai

- "The initial period can never be omitted before vowe= ls (if they are phonetically vowels. {ui} =3D [wi], so no dot is necessary). "

- "ui does not begin in a vowel. Therefore, no denpa bu is needed."

Well... I am really shocked! How is it that "u" is = not a vowel? It IS a vowel or I should start learning again Lojban from zero: it's name is indeed ybu, isn't it?<= br> (Chapter 1 of Lojban for beginners, Chapter 2 of CLL)...

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