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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>w=
rote:
>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The x3 of sepli is the thing doing the seperating. In the English
>> definition
>> > at least (It doesn't have a Lojban definition yet) the applicable te
>> sepli
>> > are any of "partition/wall/gap/interval/separating medium".
>> >
>> > Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could
>> have
>> > come up with something better for "great distance", but meh.)
>>
>> No, I would agree. But if you are happy with any true statement, then
>> two people living together in the same house are also "sepli".
>>
>
> You have a point there.
>
>
>> What I don't like much is "kansa" and "sepli" being contrasted as if
>> they were antonyms, since they are not quite at the same level. But I
>> do understand the difficulty of translating this since the comic was
>> designed to show the contrast between two particular Ceqli words, not
>> two Lojban words. What you could do is make this about "to'e" instead
>> of about sepli vs. kansa, and then use "sepsi'u" and "tolsepsi'u" for
>> the hands and "kansi'u" and "tolkansi'u" for xabju.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>
> You know, I actually really like that idea. I would want to do some
> graphical editing for it, though, so that in both panels the "[to'e]
> rodsi'u" are in the same order.
>
> So, how about, respectively:
>
> {lo mi xance cu sepsi'u .i lo mi xance cu *to'e* sepsi'u} (Picture edited
> to reverse hands apart/together order.)
> {ko'a kansi'u xabju .i ko'e *tol*kansi'u xabju)
>
> Which has the additional benefit of showing that the valsi "to'e" and the
> rafsi "tol" are equivalent?


Or how about {lo mi xance cu jonsi'u .i lo mi xance cu *to'e* jonsi'u},
without graphic editing, would would be nicer for me?

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:02 P=
M, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The x3 of sepli is the thing doing the seperating. In the English defi=
nition<br>
&gt; at least (It doesn&#39;t have a Lojban definition yet) the applicable =
te sepli<br>
&gt; are any of &quot;partition/wall/gap/interval/separating medium&quot;.<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Would you disagree that {mi do sepli loka clabra}? (I probably could h=
ave<br>
&gt; come up with something better for &quot;great distance&quot;, but meh.=
)<br>
<br>
</div>No, I would agree. But if you are happy with any true statement, then=
<br>
two people living together in the same house are also &quot;sepli&quot;.<br=
></blockquote></div><div><br>You have a point there.<br>=A0</div><div class=
=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



What I don&#39;t like much is &quot;kansa&quot; and &quot;sepli&quot; being=
 contrasted as if<br>
they were antonyms, since they are not quite at the same level. But I<br>
do understand the difficulty of translating this since the comic was<br>
designed to show the contrast between two particular Ceqli words, not<br>
two Lojban words. What you could do is make this about &quot;to&#39;e&quot;=
 instead<br>
of about sepli vs. kansa, and then use &quot;sepsi&#39;u&quot; and &quot;to=
lsepsi&#39;u&quot; for<br>
the hands and &quot;kansi&#39;u&quot; and &quot;tolkansi&#39;u&quot; for xa=
bju.<br>
<div><div><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div><br>You know, I actually really like t=
hat idea. I would want to do some graphical editing for it, though, so that=
 in both panels the &quot;[to&#39;e] rodsi&#39;u&quot; are in the same orde=
r.<br>

<br>So, how about, respectively:<br><br>{lo mi xance cu sepsi&#39;u .i lo m=
i xance cu <b><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">to&#39;e</span></b><font=
 color=3D"#000000"> sepsi&#39;u} (Picture edited to reverse hands apart/tog=
ether order.)<br>

{ko&#39;a kansi&#39;u xabju .i ko&#39;e </font><b><span style=3D"color:rgb(=
51,51,255)">tol</span></b><font color=3D"#000000">kansi&#39;u</font> xabju)=
<br><br>Which has the additional benefit of showing that the valsi &quot;to=
&#39;e&quot; and the rafsi &quot;tol&quot; are equivalent?</blockquote>
</div><br clear=3D"all">Or how about {lo mi xance cu jonsi&#39;u .i lo mi x=
ance cu <b><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">to&#39;e</span></b><font co=
lor=3D"#000000"> jonsi&#39;u</font>}, without graphic editing, would would =
be nicer for me?<br>
<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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