Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:49371) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSfA2-0005EX-Bp; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:54 -0700 Received: by bkcik5 with SMTP id ik5sf1171735bkc.16 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9p4Q32Z1jk2VCZ86snVPn2jK5L/6xOxX++8y7oBmcJ0=; b=XMKpH+5ossUJlwAQwUnaJezGF/0QYP4Hkjo3Ulvu2GLWkCrWX2agH2CEUheekfWHtZ 9Ad+i6elLup3NfEuQiqcZeuEMNof1Vr++VY0r9TuKQqh6mhOkgQEXX1sZHHuH8Ee7Y4Z c04LdEBSHH+QS0kNynRLYvP8IaSKgulVPGjhI= Received: by 10.204.157.20 with SMTP id z20mr324190bkw.9.1336701642175; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.5.133 with SMTP id 5ls5497367bkv.0.gmail; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr874363bku.8.1336701641520; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr874361bku.8.1336701641501; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si9137864bks.1.2012.05.10.19.00.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by lahd3 with SMTP id d3so2260822lah.33 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.99.100 with SMTP id ep4mr3023355lbb.40.1336701641095; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.22.68 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:00:40 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fde37cf9c204bfb91a58 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4626 --f46d0401fde37cf9c204bfb91a58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas wro= te: > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > > Are the other ones I found that might be misusing ".e". Off the top of > your > > head, do they seem to be all the ones you saw? > > I spotted this one: > > 54. cy: xu do'o se panzi > by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me pa nanla .e re nixli > > I think that expands as "noi me pa nanla gi'e me re nixli". > I looked at that one, and in both camxes and jboski it parses as "me (pa nanla .e re nixli)". changing it to "... me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" (or "... je...") results in it not parsing in either, so I'm pretty sure my usage is correct in this case. > I also saw some ungrammatical sentences in: > > 65. ji'a la.baluz. .e la.djin. se bersa la.jos. .i la.jos. bruna mi > .iji'a la.jos. famti ci mi'a panzi .iji'a jy. se panzi la.stiv. .e > la.teris. .i la.stiv. .e la.teris. se famti mi .iji'a lo go'i cu tamne > ci mi'a panzi .ije ci mi'a panzi cu tamne lo go'i > > I think you want "lo ci panzi be mi'a", or "lo mi'a ci panzi". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Yes. "ci mi'a panzi" is a jufra of it's own. My mistake. --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --f46d0401fde37cf9c204bfb91a58 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDa= s <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are the other ones I found that might be misusing ".e". Off = the top of your
> head, do they seem to be all the ones you saw?

I spotted this one:

54. cy: xu do'o se panzi
=A0 =A0by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me pa nanla .e re ni= xli

I think that expands as "noi me pa nanla gi'e me re nixli&qu= ot;.

I looked at that one, and in both camxes and = jboski it parses as "me (pa nanla .e re nixli)".

changing = it to "... me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" (or "... je...&quo= t;) results in it not parsing in either, so I'm pretty sure my usage is= correct in this case.
=A0
I also saw some ungrammatical sentences in:

65. ji'a la.baluz. .e la.djin. se bersa la.jos. .i la.jos. bruna mi
.iji'a la.jos. famti ci mi'a panzi .iji'a jy. se panzi la.stiv.= .e
la.teris. .i la.stiv. .e la.teris. se famti mi .iji'a lo go'i cu ta= mne
ci mi'a panzi .ije ci mi'a panzi cu tamne lo go'i

I think you want "lo ci panzi be mi'a", or "lo mi&= #39;a ci panzi".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Yes. "ci mi'a panzi" is a jufra = of it's own. My mistake.

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi = patfu do zo'o
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