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On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>wro=
te:

> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com=
>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.=
com
> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> 54. cy: xu do'o se panzi
> >> >>    by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me pa nanla .e re nixli
> >> >>
> >> >> I think that expands as "noi me pa nanla gi'e me re nixli".
> >> >
> >> > I looked at that one, and in both camxes and jboski it parses as "me
> (pa
> >> > nanla .e re nixli)".
> >>
> >> Of course. And "broda ko'a .e ko'e" also parses as "broda (ko'a .e
> >> ko'e)". I'm talking about what the ".e" short form expands to. It
> >> always expands to a bridi connective.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean by this expansion thing, especially
> since
> > you seem to be contradicting yourself, as you previously said that ".e"
> > expands to ".ije".
>
> I should have said it expands to "ge [bridi] gi [bridi]", since in
> subordinate bridi ".ije" doesn't work. Every logical connective
> expands to a bridi connective.
>
> > Is there perhaps some site I can be directed to that explains this?
>
> I'm sure this is explained in the CLL chapter on connectives.
>

It's mentioned in passing but not explained.


>  >> > changing it to "... me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" (or "... je...")
> results
> >> > in
> >> > it not parsing in either, so I'm pretty sure my usage is correct in
> this
> >> > case.
> >>
> >> I don't understand what you mean.
> >
> > Neither "me pa nanla gi'e re nixli" nor "mi pa nanla je re nixli" parse=
s
> in
> > camxes or jboski.
>
> "noi ke'a me pa nanla .e re nixli
> -> "noi ke'a me pa nanla gi'e _me_ re nixli"
> -> "noi ge ke'a me pa nanla gi ke'a me re nixli"
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDa=
s <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; 54. cy: xu do&#39;o se panzi<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; =A0 =A0by: go&#39;i .i mi&#39;a se panzi lo cimei noi me =
pa nanla .e re nixli<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that expands as &quot;noi me pa nanla gi&#39;e me=
 re nixli&quot;.<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; I looked at that one, and in both camxes and jboski it parses=
 as &quot;me (pa<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; nanla .e re nixli)&quot;.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Of course. And &quot;broda ko&#39;a .e ko&#39;e&quot; also parses =
as &quot;broda (ko&#39;a .e<br>
&gt;&gt; ko&#39;e)&quot;. I&#39;m talking about what the &quot;.e&quot; sho=
rt form expands to. It<br>
&gt;&gt; always expands to a bridi connective.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I don&#39;t understand what you mean by this expansion thing, especial=
ly since<br>
&gt; you seem to be contradicting yourself, as you previously said that &qu=
ot;.e&quot;<br>
&gt; expands to &quot;.ije&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>I should have said it expands to &quot;ge [bridi] gi [bridi]&quot;, s=
ince in<br>
subordinate bridi &quot;.ije&quot; doesn&#39;t work. Every logical connecti=
ve<br>
<div class=3D"im">expands to a bridi connective.<br>
<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; Is there perhaps some site I can be directed t=
o that explains this?<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;m sure this is explained in the CLL chapter on connectives.<br>=
</blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s mentioned in passing but not explained.<br>=
=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">
&gt;&gt; &gt; changing it to &quot;... me pa nanla gi&#39;e re nixli&quot; =
(or &quot;... je...&quot;) results<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; in<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; it not parsing in either, so I&#39;m pretty sure my usage is =
correct in this<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; case.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t understand what you mean.<br>
&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; Neither &quot;me pa nanla gi&#39;e re nixli&qu=
ot; nor &quot;mi pa nanla je re nixli&quot; parses in<br>
&gt; camxes or jboski.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;noi ke&#39;a me pa nanla .e re nixli<br>
-&gt; &quot;noi ke&#39;a me pa nanla gi&#39;e _me_ re nixli&quot;<br>
-&gt; &quot;noi ge ke&#39;a me pa nanla gi ke&#39;a me re nixli&quot;<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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