Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:53874) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSvLh-0007EI-4k; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:18:03 -0700 Received: by qcsq5 with SMTP id q5sf3562781qcs.16 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=afESxwAnCbCrrRdt0B5bet0EPX9BgQIQcl+0Fh7Cadg=; b=DShmHQKao5U2OJ4iW7lLBdR4LtrsSBkPsCNaxtfnne2pdp48C+ove9rvwAsd+ED7fE BFV7Tk3zhwsMfo040+GsQTpUeBiPoKXUr1Xx50Kt4z1t45vOIhhiGuQmV85LRbF29BAw 2jrw9VFtGgFNAK78XWGptxkm2dQZ6KDn9fEQI= Received: by 10.224.58.136 with SMTP id g8mr618038qah.16.1336763870409; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.30.212 with SMTP id v20ls3045074qac.0.gmail; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.194 with SMTP id hf2mr6497480qab.0.1336763869120; Fri, 11 May 2012 12:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.101.138 with SMTP id c10msqao; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.92.130 with SMTP id cm2mr5371357vdb.2.1336707272631; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.92.130 with SMTP id cm2mr5371356vdb.2.1336707272615; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si3629706vde.2.2012.05.10.20.34.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so2527275vbb.6 for ; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.209 with SMTP id n17mr3253507vdg.104.1336707272490; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.75.104 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2012 20:34:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201205080025.44688.phma@phma.optus.nu> <12872840.1048.1336566301897.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <3f2be27f-7c0e-459f-9b8a-f0a3b401cfb1@l15g2000vbv.googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Reuse request To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079c10025409104bfba6ad4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 6097 --20cf3079c10025409104bfba6ad4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 #41 won't parse. [lo'i] is a LE, which expects a selbri (or a sumti, if the inner quantifier is specified), but here you've got this list of sumti, joined with [e]. simxu1 needs to be a set, which is probably why you tried lo'i, but you can simply illogically join the sumti in your list with [ce]. [mi ce la djan ce la snime ce la flyfis] Also, sets can't be xabju1, but they can be simxu1. It turns out that the real main-selbri that you want is simxu, and not xabju. [kansi'u co xabju lo vu cmalu zdani] but I'd probably just add xabju into the lujvo while I'm at it: [xa'urkansi'u] = x1 (set) live together at x2. Same logic for [kansi'u citka] -> [ctikansi'u] As for your predicament which #54, why not just use mei2 ? [mi'a se panzi lo cimei be pa nanla ce re nixli] mu'o mi'e la tsani On 10 May 2012 23:16, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Changes in *bold*: > > #41. *lo'i* mi .e la.djan. .e la snime .e la.flyfis. *ku* kans'iu xabju > lo vu cmalu zdani > > #45. mi citka .i la.djan. citka .i mi *joi* dy. kansi'u citka > > #54. cy: xu do'o se panzi > by: go'i .i mi'a se panzi lo cimei noi me *lo'i* pa nanla .e re nixli > > #56. lo mi'a bersa cu zvati ti .i lo go'i cu barda zmadu lo vu nanla .i se > cmene zo.bil. .i la.bil. bersa mi'a .i *by. joi* mi'a kansi'u xabju lo > mi'a zdani > > #58. lo mi'a re tixnu cu nixli .i lo go'i cu se cmene zo.grin. *fa'u*zo.salis. .i la.salis. mensi la.grin. .ije la.grin. mensi la.salis. .i re > nixli cu mensi la.bil. > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf3079c10025409104bfba6ad4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable #41 won't parse. [lo'i] is a LE, which expects a selbri (or a sumti= , if the inner quantifier is specified), but here you've got this list = of sumti, joined with [e].=A0
simxu1 needs to be a set, which is probab= ly why you tried lo'i, but you can simply illogically join the sumti in= your list with [ce].
[mi ce la djan ce la snime ce la flyfis]

Also= , sets can't be xabju1, but they can be simxu1. It turns out that the r= eal main-selbri that you want is simxu, and not xabju.
[kansi'= ;u co xabju lo vu cmalu zdani] but I'd probably just add xabju into the= lujvo while I'm at it: [xa'urkansi'u] =3D x1 (set) live togeth= er at x2.
Same logic for [kansi'u citka] -> [ctikansi'u]
As for your predicament which #54, why not just use mei2 ? [mi= 'a se panzi lo cimei be pa nanla ce re nixli]

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 10 May 2012= 23:16, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Changes in bold:

#41. lo'i mi .e la.djan. .e la sn= ime .e la.flyfis. ku kans'iu xabju lo vu cmalu zdani

#45.= mi citka .i la.djan. citka .i mi joi dy. kansi'u citka

#54. cy: xu do'o se panzi
=A0=A0=A0 by: go'i .i mi'a se panz= i lo cimei noi me lo'i pa nanla .e re nixli

#56. lo mi= 9;a bersa cu zvati ti .i lo go'i cu barda zmadu lo vu nanla .i se cmene= zo.bil. .i la.bil. bersa mi'a .i by. joi mi'a kansi'u x= abju lo mi'a zdani

#58. lo mi'a re tixnu cu nixli .i lo go'i cu se cmene zo.grin. = fa'u zo.salis. .i la.salis. mensi la.grin. .ije la.grin. mensi l= a.salis. .i re nixli cu mensi la.bil.


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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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