Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:58581) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSrxS-0005DR-ET; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:44 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf804510laa.16 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xdDVO7xVXPBBtS+BOP952ld62fJvBJ/EcwVH8P2OOhw=; b=Sk1IYuzkTfTL7JDS2D7edSK+JRUycDYSANQrO++TS4rRoT71oFDFAWBtFj5u1Sn/Ec xYo9wwLQcdVJlhJaap5usASB/T7rBTkSSOy0zrQ5WSu5byEIlbaADWCU8AzSXFUf8ScC ZefTjbbxpr+w9zu4UmCDM/ggMOJqkIZ0aNLig= Received: by 10.204.128.79 with SMTP id j15mr360534bks.35.1336750833741; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.25.82 with SMTP id y18ls440145ebb.3.gmail; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr1190152bku.6.1336750832346; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr1190151bku.6.1336750832311; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f46.google.com (mail-bk0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si11380885bkc.3.2012.05.11.08.40.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by mail-bk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id ji2so2352912bkc.19 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.129.8 with SMTP id hg8mr5049157bkc.25.1336750832139; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.125.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:40:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:40:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] pluja-sampu From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0b8de80bcc604bfc48efe X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.1 X-Spam_score_int: 11 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original question was. Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. Or was the question why one is not simply tol- the other? --gejyspa [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mturniansky[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.8 FUZZY_XPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature Content-Length: 10192 --000e0ce0b8de80bcc604bfc48efe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original question was. Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. Or was the question why one is not simply tol- the other? --gejyspa On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > >> What language is that, out of curiosity? > > > It's Esperanto. > > stevo > > >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : >> >>> Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne suficxe >>> gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj. >>> >>> (Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar to each other. >>> But that is not sufficiently important to change the definitions, which= are >>> in any case baselined.) >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> 2012/5/10 A J >>> >>>> Saluton, >>>> >>>> Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLUJA havas >>>> diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj. >>>> >>>> =C5=9Cajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de la alia. =C4= =88u eble unu >>>> sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD unu nenecesa? >>>> >>>> julin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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=C2=A0 I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious= what the original question was. =C2=A0Because your answer appears to imply= that pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. = =C2=A0Or was the question why one is not simply tol- the other?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.c= om> wrote:
What language is that, out of curiosity?

<= div>It's Esperanto.=C2=A0

stevo
=C2=A0


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 P= M, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al = la alia. Sed tio ne suficxe gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiu= kaze nesxangxeblaj.=C2=A0

(Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" = are very similar to each other. But that is not sufficiently important to c= hange the definitions, which are in any case baselined.)

stevo


2012/= 5/10 A J <seitec@mail.ru>

Saluton,

=C2=A0<= /span>Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLUJA havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj.

=C5=9Cajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj un= u de la alia. =C4=88u eble=C2=A0 unu sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD unu nenecesa?

julin


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