Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:55765) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSsAo-0005Kw-EI; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:31 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf813869laa.16 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2+lYjx59V2jk+8Jej6t1ib5e+F640kuwTaZpWfQycyI=; b=G0+qyIxH5RAttLSz+SVAF3Z7LIP4tM9ChH2plv+dZRHq7ibGSZWCXl2KjJdLInqQ4D l9rmGuwtbLpoKXEeUMS81Rz+vBNf2vskE0LtgZAmHIoGXLa5HiMhndyW/4Mwn/nlkjud HBamZBame9UyhoAIJ3Ny7vf+1qoo+EHgxPvMc= Received: by 10.204.128.73 with SMTP id j9mr412570bks.14.1336751662218; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls5897685bks.1.gmail; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr1200074bkw.0.1336751661022; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr1200073bkw.0.1336751660985; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f42.google.com (mail-bk0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si11419409bkc.2.2012.05.11.08.54.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by mail-bk0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ik5so5105063bkc.1 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.199 with SMTP id g7mr5199712bkt.47.1336751660780; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.125.5 with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FAD359D.1010901@plasmatix.com> References: <4FAD359D.1010901@plasmatix.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] pluja-sampu From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df326e4cd4504bfc4bf10 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.1 X-Spam_score_int: 11 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: ki'e On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Miles Forster wrote: > The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} and > {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that these > two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (in > one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?" > > —mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original > question was. Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu > are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. Or was the question why > one is not simply tol- the other? > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> What language is that, out of curiosity? >> >> >> It's Esperanto. >> >> stevo >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>>> Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne suficxe >>>> gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj. >>>> >>>> (Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar to each >>>> other. But that is not sufficiently important to change the definitions, >>>> which are in any case baselined.) >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/5/10 A J >>>> >>>>> Saluton, >>>>> >>>>> Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLUJA >>>>> havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj. >>>>> >>>>> Ŝajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de la alia. Ĉu eble unu >>>>> sumti-loko estas superflua aŭ unu nenecesa? >>>>> >>>>> julin >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mturniansky[at]gmail.com) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.61 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.8 FUZZY_XPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature Content-Length: 18541 --0015175df326e4cd4504bfc4bf10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ki'e On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Miles Forster wrote: > The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} and > {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that thes= e > two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (in > one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?" > > =E2=80=94mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original > question was. Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu > are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. Or was the question w= hy > one is not simply tol- the other? > --gejyspa > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : > >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wro= te: >> >>> What language is that, out of curiosity? >> >> >> It's Esperanto. >> >> stevo >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict wrot= e: >>> >>>> Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne suficx= e >>>> gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj. >>>> >>>> (Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar to each >>>> other. But that is not sufficiently important to change the definition= s, >>>> which are in any case baselined.) >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/5/10 A J >>>> >>>>> Saluton, >>>>> >>>>> Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLUJA >>>>> havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj. >>>>> >>>>> =C5=9Cajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de la alia. =C4= =88u eble unu >>>>> sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD unu nenecesa? >>>>> >>>>> julin >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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ki'e

On Fri, May 11,= 2012 at 11:51 AM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:<= br>
=20 =20 =20
The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} and {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that these two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (in one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?"

=E2=80=94mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
=C2=A0 I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the original question was. =C2=A0Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and sampu are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. =C2=A0Or was the question why one is not simply tol- the other?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
What language is that, out of curiosity?

It's Esperanto.=C2=A0

stevo
=C2=A0


On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict &l= t;lytlesw@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne suficxe gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj.=C2=A0

(Yes, the two gismu "sampu" an= d "pluja" are very similar to each = other. But that is not sufficiently important to change the definitions, which are in any case baselined.)

stevo


2012/5/10 A J <seitec@mail.ru>

Saluton,=

= =C2=A0Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLUJA havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj.

=C5=9Caj= nas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de la alia. =C4=88u eble=C2=A0 unu sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD unu nenecesa?

julin <= br>

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