Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:65172) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSt9J-0005sT-Uq; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:57:16 -0700 Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2sf3794270pbb.16 for ; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VI1W/xNcYXvsMFJrIOoyNtt16rT9n/F7UBF4n8M5eQE=; b=Uo/cjBwjapWpJ3xgGiSuXJFUxRjVZ4PMv9RMoMdvS09ozSn8iP6hxVEKCnxmeObaq3 FL33qPIJ0uDV8gqqX73263WsfCHxNqbNtrNBn7r73vgZshN3Eq0nqqsYxBu5u6Tm3r9T Wm8JFUU4eEAyFx6JPk+gzuPfTSvnbZO4/FdU0= Received: by 10.52.33.37 with SMTP id o5mr400010vdi.14.1336755415286; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.208.137 with SMTP id gc9ls3006271vcb.7.gmail; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.68.206 with SMTP id y14mr417368vdt.1.1336755414239; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by p1g2000vbv.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FAD359D.1010901@plasmatix.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.168 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pluja-sampu From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.8 X-Spam_score_int: 18 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This is the place to gather such issues: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-editpage.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues I've just added the pluja-sampu issue. If you know about some issue not listed there, please add it. [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (janek37[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.8 FUZZY_XPILL BODY: Attempt to obfuscate words in spam 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature Content-Length: 5439 This is the place to gather such issues: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-editpage.php?page=3DBPFK+Section%3A+gismu+I= ssues I've just added the pluja-sampu issue. If you know about some issue not listed there, please add it. mu'o mi'e ianek On May 11, 5:54=C2=A0pm, Michael Turniansky wrote: > ki'e > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Miles Forster wrot= e: > > =C2=A0The question was: "I just found out that the two gismu {sampu} an= d > > {pluja} have a different number of sumit places. To me it seems that th= ese > > two words are antonyms, so could it be that one place is superfluous (i= n > > one definition) or that one is lacking (in the other definition)?" > > > =E2=80=94mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > Am 11.05.2012 17:40, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > > > =C2=A0 I knew the language was Esperanto, but I am curious what the ori= ginal > > question was. =C2=A0Because your answer appears to imply that pluja and= sampu > > are near synonyms, when in fact they are antonyms. =C2=A0Or was the que= stion why > > one is not simply tol- the other? > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:29 PM, MorphemeAddict wro= te: > > >> =C2=A0On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > >>> What language is that, out of curiosity? > > >> =C2=A0It's Esperanto. > > >> =C2=A0stevo > > >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:01 PM, MorphemeAddict wr= ote: > > >>>> Jes, la du gismuoj estas tre similaj unu al la alia. Sed tio ne sufi= cxe > >>>> gravas por sxangxi la difinojn, kiuj estas cxiukaze nesxangxeblaj. > > >>>> =C2=A0(Yes, the two gismu "sampu" and "pluja" are very similar to ea= ch > >>>> other. But that is not sufficiently important to change the definiti= ons, > >>>> which are in any case baselined.) > > >>>> =C2=A0stevo > > >>>> 2012/5/10 A J > > >>>>> =C2=A0Saluton, > > >>>>> =C2=A0Mi dume lernas gismu-ojn kaj trovas ke du gismu SAMPU kaj PLU= JA > >>>>> havas diversan kvanton de sumti-lokoj. > > >>>>> =C5=9Cajnas al mi ke la du vortoj estas antonimoj unu de la alia. = =C4=88u eble =C2=A0unu > >>>>> sumti-loko estas superflua a=C5=AD unu nenecesa? > > >>>>> julin > > >>>>> =C2=A0 -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.= com > >>>>> . > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.c= om. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > >>> =C2=A0-- > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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