Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:64704) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SUtF2-0002Jp-Fd; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:13 -0700 Received: by dadp14 with SMTP id p14sf1508989dad.16 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TJsSuakqEcZPdYhdIG0+27UAEwGLhbnzjg2TKUwCn1Q=; b=rItQkjT5epr/pxe8Lwvy8lDj2Y4vXtqx1CsAYOQY2K3tRmQVks94nJRN9V2DCKBf+g x9HX+JD4U8Ygvp+i5u+zOu9a9wLMamBGR0CsBva+hcLR2xIC22Ks7haew2aKRRZSderL 3eHM1PF+RN+/kZwUF3bU0xj6Uxj0tCPaUZQNc= Received: by 10.52.23.226 with SMTP id p2mr262720vdf.2.1337232425473; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.155.137 with SMTP id s9ls354692vcw.3.gmail; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.8 with SMTP id v8mr265401vdi.5.1337232424566; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:27:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201205162355.05615.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <3639382.1486.1337213982012.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcpi6> <201205162355.05615.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.0.1025.168 Safari/535.19,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <7734dfcb-e9b8-4c85-9f19-8d04a19d1f8f@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What can you do with Lojban that you can't do with English? From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1278 On 17 Maj, 05:55, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 16 May 2012 20:19:41 Lindar wrote: > > > We have red chickens and cows. > > Are the cows red? > > Also, "we" =3D "I and who else?" > > mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci .e lo bakni =97 doesn't say what color the cows= are. > mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci je bakni =97 false, as no chicken is a cow. Aionys says that it doesn't make that assertion. According to him, "we are a husband and a wife" is {mi'a me lo nakspe je fetspe}. So even such simple things like logical connectives are controversial in Lojban... uinai > mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci .e lo xunre bakni =97 the cows are red. > mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci ja bakni =97 they're all red, but whether they'= re all > chickens or all cows or a mix isn't stated. What about {mi'a ponse lo xunre jipci joi bakni}? mu'o mi'e ianek > Pierre > -- > loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.