Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:45204) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SUzOo-00053l-Br; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:43 -0700 Received: by faaa5 with SMTP id a5sf1356575faa.16 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1q7KcRWORdrnWKD4e514ebw4/dHaiPoDEkoZ0frXFY8=; b=IqsDadMQ4KX2KaYQZqw8+8ZXR126bXEqwm19rkj3v5xLz4jcw2gBG8vGrOSyG0l6Ub u1r0ESXXbjWCqPdrnrxUfjmzomvPMMESC2teEEhCpq95eaINrs+gpk2xzAap4iI0aexE m569EPYF3pNOU5HsasPeo5oRH36Wz9c4iR/n0= Received: by 10.204.152.3 with SMTP id e3mr312013bkw.31.1337256094023; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.130.152 with SMTP id t24ls1203255bks.1.gmail; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.134.138 with SMTP id ic10mr844588bkc.8.1337256092410; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.134.138 with SMTP id ic10mr844587bkc.8.1337256092398; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si6449887bkc.3.2012.05.17.05.01.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.177; Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id gg6so1789372lbb.22 for ; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.128.201 with SMTP id nq9mr6797453lab.26.1337256092135; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.112.68 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2012 05:01:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3639382.1486.1337213982012.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbcpi6> <201205162355.05615.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7734dfcb-e9b8-4c85-9f19-8d04a19d1f8f@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com> <3da91443-5011-46d3-a596-82f7d96fe675@ec4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:01:31 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: What can you do with Lojban that you can't do with English? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1171 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > The reason {mi'a me lo nakspe je fetspe} is true is because I > am (implicitly) referring to them as a group. "lo" is not specific as to > whether a multitude of something is being addressed as a group or > individually, although typically the individual interpretation is implied, > as I said. I don't think "lo" helps much here. The question is really about "mi'a nakspe je fetspe". (Or "mi'a me zo'e noi ke'a nakspe je fetspe"). There are no clear official rules about how tanru logical connectives work, but the obvious interpretation is that "ko'a nakspe je fetspe" expands to "ko'a nakspe .i je ko'a fetspe". I would prefer "mi'a nakspe jo'u fetspe" (or the more wordy "mi'a me lo nakspe jo'u fetspe"). mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.