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On 17 Maj, 23:38, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllamb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Are there many other simple Lojban constructs which meanings are
> > unspecified? I'd say that tanru logical connectives are pretty base
> > thing,
>
> The main problem with tanru logical connnectives is what can it mean
> to connect two predicates with different place structures. The usual
> assumption is that the x1 of "broda je brode" has to be something that
> satisfies both the x1 of broda and the x1 of brode. But what about the
> x2? Does it have to satisfy both the x2 of broda and the x2 of brode?
> If so, does something like "ko'a ko'e sutra je bajra" make any sense
> at all?
>
> >unlike some obscure mekso issues, or "what if a sentence has
> > multiple prenexes".
>
> I'm not aware of any issues with multiple prenexes, it's just the same
> as one single longer prenex.

Yes, it was also an example of a rarely-to-never used construct, so
any issues there would be quite artificial (compared to tanru
connectives).

> > Also, I don't really understand how jo'u works in general, in CLL I've
> > seen only one example. Does {mi jo'u do bevri lo pipno} mean that each
> > of us carries a piano individually, but we both carry the same piano?
>
> I take "jo'u" as the connective corresponding to "lo", just like "joi"
> corresponds to "loi" and "ce" corresponds to "lo'i". So "mi jo'u do
> bevri lo pipno" is like "lo re prenu cu bevri lo pipno".

So the example 14.10 from CLL 14.14 http://dag.github.com/cll/14/14/
"la djeimyz. jo'u la djordj. cu remei bruna"
would correspond to "lo re nanmu cu remei bruna" and I don't see why
it would work as suggested in that chapter.

mu'o mi'e ianek

> > The less I understand jo'u as a tanru connective...
>
> Tanru connectives are indeed weird.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes

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