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Hi Alan,

I am learning several languages, but am no professional on lojban.
However I would suggest that you differentiate by the level of stress
on the "throat sound". As I recall French stresses the "r" intensely,
so for lojban you might want to pronounce it softer, as has been
suggested. No need to go for the English, but the German "r" is kind
of soft. The "x" I remember as being pronounced as in Arabic, where it
should sound like, how can I put this, you were gathering salive in
order to spit. It is not a nice way of explaining the sound, but it=B4s
something we can all imagine :) Only that you open the throat like
saying the "r" in "rouge" without "rolling" it too much.

For the "xr" it is "saliva" plus "rolling" the "r". Serious throat
clearing, if you may :)
J`esp=E9re que ce s=B4entend raisonable pour toi :)

Greetings
davjd

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