Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:60458) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SbqOy-0001p0-2o; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:50:12 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf4955654yen.16 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=oYObgq08hmayGld+2RKRsQVX50XxsKLxyYBNthKbmwk=; b=heY9pECO+bKXBr/OkcIzi2IK8y6fc6nVd/cZN/2NDkqh3vlOOGZFfHI0skRFmYj8nR ZtpdJphIkdD4sTBvLr1W0JJC8sBFjMQXDUMxJPZSoUx2e83ukxoprjz0SqoNIcyVUhqe 3RgeqfBSZcKrdcVEooXlfIgUsiUwEl9gTdSzg= Received: by 10.52.23.65 with SMTP id k1mr539332vdf.7.1338889805586; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:50:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.209.19 with SMTP id ge19ls3205976vcb.0.gmail; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.23.65 with SMTP id k1mr539331vdf.7.1338889804897; Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 3g2000vbx.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 02:50:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/11.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi do dunda be ti From: tengo To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: yurock.tengo@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of yurock.tengo@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=yurock.tengo@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 1153 There are also other ways to confuse people, so your example just adds to that number. :) For another example, consider heavy use of FA and SE: fi la .man. la .filadelfias. te se ve klama fa la .ostin. From a similar discussion at this group I gathered that jbofi'e interprets {mi do dunda be ti} is correctly. For those who wonder, here is how it works. {dunda} x1 gives x2 to x3 When you attach a sumti to brivla with {be}, it fills one of brivla's places and deletes it from numbered place structure of selbri. {dunda be ti} x1 gives this to x2 Then {mi} and {do} fill the x1 and x2 of the resulting selbri. {mi do dunda be ti} = {mi dunda be ti do} I give this to you. Although, my opinion about this interpretation is not backed by official sources. I may need to read more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.