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<7a5142ca-04bc-44db-8559-d3361c66c826@e20g2000vbm.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:16:00 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi do dunda be ti From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2145 The correct would be to say that the x2 of {dunda} is skipped by default, since it is already filled by the attached sumti, like in {fe ti fa mi do dunda} This can, of course, be overriden by FA, just as in {fe ti fa mi fe do dunda} mu'o mi'e .asiz. On 5 June 2012 08:28, ianek wrote: > You're wrong, jbofi'e doesn't interpret {be} that way. Proof: {mi fe > do dunda be ti}. Here, do goes into dunda2, not the x2 of "x1 gives > this to x2". > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On 5 Cze, 11:50, tengo wrote: >> There are also other ways to confuse people, so your example just adds >> to that number. :) For another example, consider heavy use of FA and >> SE: >> >> fi la .man. la .filadelfias. te se ve klama fa la .ostin. >> >> From a similar discussion at this group I gathered that jbofi'e >> interprets {mi do dunda be ti} is correctly. For those who wonder, >> here is how it works. >> >> {dunda} >> x1 gives x2 to x3 >> >> When you attach a sumti to brivla with {be}, it fills one of brivla's >> places and deletes it from numbered place structure of selbri. >> >> {dunda be ti} >> x1 gives this to x2 >> >> Then {mi} and {do} fill the x1 and x2 of the resulting selbri. >> >> {mi do dunda be ti} = {mi dunda be ti do} >> I give this to you. >> >> Although, my opinion about this interpretation is not backed by >> official sources. I may need to read more. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.