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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi do dunda be ti
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Yes, I know that. I'm only complaining that this (unlike FA) leads to
unexpected changes in places assigned to sumti read/heard so far. When
I hear "mi do dunda...", I know that no FA or SE at this point can
change place assignments. But BE can. Not that I'm proposing some
changes - just complaining.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 5 Cze, 15:16, Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The correct would be to say that the x2 of {dunda} is skipped by
> default, since it
> is already filled by the attached sumti, like in
> =A0 {fe ti fa mi do dunda}
>
> This can, of course, be overriden by FA, just as in
> =A0 {fe ti fa mi fe do dunda}
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.
>
> On 5 June 2012 08:28, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You're wrong, jbofi'e doesn't interpret {be} that way. Proof: {mi fe
> > do dunda be ti}. Here, do goes into dunda2, not the x2 of "x1 gives
> > this to x2".
>
> > mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> > On 5 Cze, 11:50, tengo <yurock.te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> There are also other ways to confuse people, so your example just adds
> >> to that number. :) For another example, consider heavy use of FA and
> >> SE:
>
> >> fi la .man. la .filadelfias. te se ve klama fa la .ostin.
>
> >> From a similar discussion at this group I gathered that jbofi'e
> >> interprets {mi do dunda be ti} is correctly. For those who wonder,
> >> here is how it works.
>
> >> {dunda}
> >> x1 gives x2 to x3
>
> >> When you attach a sumti to brivla with {be}, it fills one of brivla's
> >> places and deletes it from numbered place structure of selbri.
>
> >> {dunda be ti}
> >> x1 gives this to x2
>
> >> Then {mi} and {do} fill the x1 and x2 of the resulting selbri.
>
> >> {mi do dunda be ti} =3D {mi dunda be ti do}
> >> I give this to you.
>
> >> Although, my opinion about this interpretation is not backed by
> >> official sources. I may need to read more.
>
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