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On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, tengo <yurock.tengo@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are also other ways to confuse people, so your example just adds
> to that number. :) For another example, consider heavy use of FA and
> SE:
>
> fi la .man. la .filadelfias. te se ve klama fa la .ostin.
>
> From a similar discussion at this group I gathered that jbofi'e
> interprets {mi do dunda be ti} is correctly. For those who wonder,
> here is how it works.
>
> {dunda}
> x1 gives x2 to x3
>
> When you attach a sumti to brivla with {be}, it fills one of brivla's
> places and deletes it from numbered place structure of selbri.
>
> {dunda be ti}
> x1 gives this to x2
>

Why did {be} put {ti} in dunda2 instead of dunda1 (the first place) or
dunda3 (the next unused place in {mi do dunda be ti})?

stevo

>
> Then {mi} and {do} fill the x1 and x2 of the resulting selbri.
>
> {mi do dunda be ti} = {mi dunda be ti do}
> I give this to you.
>
> Although, my opinion about this interpretation is not backed by
> official sources. I may need to read more.
>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 5:50 AM, tengo <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yurock.tengo@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">yurock.tengo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">

There are also other ways to confuse people, so your example just adds<br>
to that number. :) For another example, consider heavy use of FA and<br>
SE:<br>
<br>
fi la .man. la .filadelfias. te se ve klama fa la .ostin.<br>
<br>
From a similar discussion at this group I gathered that jbofi&#39;e<br>
interprets {mi do dunda be ti} is correctly. For those who wonder,<br>
here is how it works.<br>
<br>
{dunda}<br>
x1 gives x2 to x3<br>
<br>
When you attach a sumti to brivla with {be}, it fills one of brivla&#39;s<b=
r>
places and deletes it from numbered place structure of selbri.<br>
<br>
{dunda be ti}<br>
x1 gives this to x2<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Why did {be}=A0put =
{ti}=A0in dunda2 instead of dunda1 (the first place) or dunda3 (the next un=
used place in {mi do dunda be ti})?=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo</div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<br>
Then {mi} and {do} fill the x1 and x2 of the resulting selbri.<br>
<br>
{mi do dunda be ti} =3D {mi dunda be ti do}<br>
I give this to you.<br>
<br>
Although, my opinion about this interpretation is not backed by<br>
official sources. I may need to read more.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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