Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]:45848) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SfPRA-0006z5-3J; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:18 -0700 Received: by laai10 with SMTP id i10sf1314982laa.16 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3mArngyIm5PNuKTTc2HswURn/n5GI1DPQ17OsRkWCts=; b=NrFIT1JC6ng96w3FtZ0Jg2C4wfzaYHTCuCcUTjdRbZQ6ZJT5IOwgkwI6izo/nXLVsv sqRRGW2IUaPIddfY3AKRXWbTmBAZf7tWA/Tbo4WwNXYzTQ869jIgg/3f4Vb1A18hQ9hG ZPa2Qzh5XZM6yWovkVbW3+nwhHG+/0WSCJ/AE= Received: by 10.204.157.142 with SMTP id b14mr255403bkx.19.1339739463087; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.7 with SMTP id m7ls1227369bkw.5.gmail; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr664515bku.6.1339739461334; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr664514bku.6.1339739461307; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si6303168bks.1.2012.06.14.22.51.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.174; Received: by lbbgm6 with SMTP id gm6so2893536lbb.5 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.131.9 with SMTP id oi9mr4265719lab.39.1339739460806; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <173a7e7d-d99c-4a04-9d58-13f3bd639fd9@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:51:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Bridi as Sumti From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c6477a7276a04c27c6646 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 4335 --f46d042c6477a7276a04c27c6646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 True, but regardless, you still have to lo (or le, or la) to make it a sumti. In your example, the nu converts the bridi into an event, and the lo converts the event into a sumti. On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM, ianek wrote: > It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want a sumti with > filled other places, do as aionys says. If you want an abstraction (to > refer to an event, fact, property etc.) you have to use some > abstractor, like {lo nu ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u [kei]} to refer > to an event described by the bridi. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On 15 Cze, 00:32, Jaiden Bell wrote: > > Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d042c6477a7276a04c27c6646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True, but regardless, you still have to lo (or le, or la) to make it a sumt= i. In your example, the nu converts the bridi into an event, and the lo con= verts the event into a sumti.

On Thu, Jun= 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
It depends on what you want to achieve. If y= ou want a sumti with
filled other places, do as aionys says. If you want an abstraction (to
refer to an event, fact, property etc.) you have to use some
abstractor, like {lo nu ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u = [kei]} to refer
to an event described by the bridi.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 15 Cze, 00:32, Jaiden Bell <az= urit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti?
>
> Thanks in advance.

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