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<6e2a3812-eb9e-4f0c-af39-e8c8f743f0d8@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> From: Sebastian X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <6e2a3812-eb9e-4f0c-af39-e8c8f743f0d8@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> Message-Id: <33719377-1862-475F-B480-72E47C1EEDC2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:03:09 +0200 To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2587 I've noticed that the most common article for abstractions is le. Could som= ebody explain why? What's the difference between "mi nelci le nu mi bajra" and "mi nelci lo nu= bajra"? Thanks in advance (how do you say go'i in lojban?) /jongausib Skickat fr=E5n min iPhone 15 jun 2012 kl. 08:22 skrev ianek : > You're very right. >=20 > On 15 Cze, 07:51, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> True, but regardless, you still have to lo (or le, or la) to make it a >> sumti. In your example, the nu converts the bridi into an event, and the= lo >> converts the event into a sumti. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM, ianek wrote: >>> It depends on what you want to achieve. If you want a sumti with >>> filled other places, do as aionys says. If you want an abstraction (to >>> refer to an event, fact, property etc.) you have to use some >>> abstractor, like {lo nu ko'a broda ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u [kei]} to refer >>> to an event described by the bridi. >>=20 >>> mu'o mi'e ianek >>=20 >>> On 15 Cze, 00:32, Jaiden Bell wrote: >>>> Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti? >>=20 >>>> Thanks in advance. >>=20 >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>=20 >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>=20 >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.