Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:64493) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SfXyf-00030R-7T; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:29 -0700 Received: by wibhr4 with SMTP id hr4sf382989wib.16 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+UWppRgKuZoffa5iJ4GSDHKZjCwsAX5ZThIhBFuYN1s=; b=AizpcGmBmdtsPkdVgzwMdciw5gb2RTigMlhiBMSxUwsn1H+T0h40HcGoR+XsCFpW+w t4HNj/J5TRlX7Tb7YYveC5+XoQhOxX4F4mAohD1of59v9nNrxOuJqUQdi0rgdAKUsXda voRjNm9NYXL2Q/wJoCtN3rF7iWC4aWAZEMle0= Received: by 10.204.152.220 with SMTP id h28mr390927bkw.26.1339772292460; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.85 with SMTP id n21ls1688639bks.6.gmail; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr898813bku.6.1339772291527; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.141.4 with SMTP id k4mr898811bku.6.1339772291502; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ig3si7255126bkc.3.2012.06.15.07.58.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.53; Received: by lagu2 with SMTP id u2so2293510lag.26 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.131.9 with SMTP id oi9mr5773112lab.39.1339772290904; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <967ee71e-9aaa-4df2-b3b5-3e7f9d504f91@googlegroups.com> References: <173a7e7d-d99c-4a04-9d58-13f3bd639fd9@googlegroups.com> <3a68a48f-3e43-4450-b4a6-a3ea1077b7bc@googlegroups.com> <967ee71e-9aaa-4df2-b3b5-3e7f9d504f91@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:58:10 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Bridi as Sumti From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c64777ab1fc04c2840b96 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 10687 --f46d042c64777ab1fc04c2840b96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just what you said. On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Jaiden Bell wrote: > So then what is the purpose of be and be'o? > > > On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:33:31 AM UTC-4, aionys wrote: >> >> Approximately. bei indicates that another sumti is being attached, sumti >> don't typically need anything to signal being separate- the "start >> indicator" - as you call it - lo is enough by itself. >> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Jaiden Bell wrote: >> >>> Okay thanks, I think that that makes some sense. But to be clear: the >>> words be and be'o act as start and end indicators (sort of) and bei >>> separates each sumti, correct? >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:11:40 PM UTC-4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>> bridi: broda ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o >>>> >>>> sumti: lo broda be ko'a bei ko'e bei ko'i bei ko'o be'o >>>> >>>> You only need bei and be'o if you're wanting the bridi to have the >>>> places after x2 filled, you only need be if you want the x2 filled, lo >>>> steals the x1 place. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jaiden Bell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/* >>>>> *ms**g/lojban-beginners/-/**voSaBccG3**fkJ >>>>> . >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.*** >>>>> *com . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**g**ooglegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group >>>>> **/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/27JHLHztzYEJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d042c64777ab1fc04c2840b96 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just what you said.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 = at 8:51 AM, Jaiden Bell <azuritiss@gmail.com> wrote:
So then what is the purpose of be and be'o?

<= br>On Friday, June 15, 2012 10:33:31 AM UTC-4, aionys wrote:
Approximately. bei indicates that another sumti is being attached, sumti do= n't typically need anything to signal being separate- the "start i= ndicator" - as you call it - lo is enough by itself.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Jaiden Bell <azuritiss@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Okay thanks, I think that that makes some sense. But to be clear: the words= be and be'o act as start and end indicators (sort of) and bei separate= s each sumti, correct?


On Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:11:40= PM UTC-4, aionys wrote:
bridi: broda ko'a ko'e ko'i ko'o

sumti: lo broda be = ko'a bei ko'e bei ko'i bei ko'o be'o

You only ne= ed bei and be'o if you're wanting the bridi to have the places afte= r x2 filled, you only need be if you want the x2 filled, lo steals the x1 p= lace.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Jaiden Bell= <azuritiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Can anyone help me understand how to turn a bridi into a sumti?

Thanks in advance.

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