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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] my first translation
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For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This
means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since
the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have
to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene}
(or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we
use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing
that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or
{mi'a}, the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the
addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:

{mi'a selcme zo.borg.}

For "We are the Borg".

I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I'll note now that
the Starfleet vessels are not boats.

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate
> it, but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous
> errors.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> coi rodo .i
>> I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg
>> message to the federation in the film "first contact" into Lojban.
>>
>> mi'a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji
>> ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku'i selbapselfu la .borg
>> .i xarnu no plixau fa'o
>>
>> I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections.
>>
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>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
>


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This m=
eans that the gismu {cmene} is needed: &quot;x1 is the name of x2...&quot;.=
 Since the name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact =
we have to flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of =
{cmene} (or the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which m=
eans we use {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are ann=
ouncing that /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi}=
 or {mi&#39;a}, the difference being that {mi&#39;a} explicitly excludes th=
e addressee(s), whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:<br>
<br>{mi&#39;a selcme zo.borg.}<br><br>For &quot;We are the Borg&quot;.<br><=
br>I need to go do something quickly before I continue, but I&#39;ll note n=
ow that the Starfleet vessels are not boats.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Many corrections soon to come. I have to find the original to translate it,=
 but what you have is not grammatically correct. It contains numerous error=
s.<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Devin Prater <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:r.d.t.prater@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">r.d.t.prater@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi rodo .i<br>
I have translated, to the best of my knowledge, translated the Borg<br>
message to the federation in the film &quot;first contact&quot; into Lojban=
.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;a la .borg .i ko nitmau do bandu ije randa do bloti .i pu do minji<b=
r>
ije lifri ponse la .borg .i pu do kulnu cusku&#39;i selbapselfu la .borg<br=
>
.i xarnu no plixau fa&#39;o<br>
<br>
I hope its good enough. Thanks in advance for any corrections.<br>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div><spa=
n class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys=
.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d=
o zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br>
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</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o =
mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi=
.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father=
. :D )<br>
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