Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:58704) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SiriM-00021M-JS; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:23 -0700 Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13sf2446591wer.16 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pjZrQBLnh/Rbb3BxF+pfBy4/zPitIhu4WGjq9mdWW0Q=; b=FWj0Lk5xv8vsmZZ/qbWCdHrJJSJh+MghhJEFwlGZ+FVGejdq5L8cQR+phlPJ6QwQhW cpTTsiAyNi/UFU9QsJwFK2vl/3z3KBQ7Z3B22VMJlq1vfCLOmNGQli/9ejDNbFiCl0Bw GQ8ubNXSXEqgyalTa6KwFCoGaJ40EzX0o7PO4= Received: by 10.205.141.75 with SMTP id jd11mr376481bkc.29.1340563145958; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.21 with SMTP id m21ls2987052bkw.2.gmail; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr960889bkw.0.1340563144331; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr960888bkw.0.1340563144305; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si11122214bks.1.2012.06.24.11.39.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.182; Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id n10so6824897lbo.13 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.161 with SMTP id tt1mr9529641lab.4.1340563143816; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:39:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FE7575F.1020204@plasmatix.com> References: <4FE7575F.1020204@plasmatix.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:39:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22bb3dfc759604c33c2dcc X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 11923 --e89a8f22bb3dfc759604c33c2dcc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh no, I certainly agree that keywords is not enough for proper learning of Lojban valsi. I just also happen to think that the full and complete definitions are a bit overkill for nintadni. The very complexities may even cause some to give the idea of learning pause. When I created these simplified definitions, which I did originally mostly because of character limits placed by Smart.fm, the learning website I was making the lessons for, I did so with a mind to preserve the definition in its whole whilst cutting out the more complex parts of the full definition. On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, selpa'i wrote: > This site is pretty well known among Lojbanists (at least on IRC). > I myself have contributed several Lojban decks. > > That said, I appreciate your work. Personally, I have never had problems > with the full definitions, and they are way more useful than just keywords. > In fact, knowing a gismu without its place structure is relatively useless > when you want to use it actively. As I cam see, however, you did not use > mere keywords, but instead used simplified definitions. Looks like a good > idea. > I really like the pictures. > > I don't know what you mean about the permissions thing. Benjamin, the guy > who runs memrise, has always been very helpful though, so I'm sure he'll > get back to you soon enough. > > .i .i'e .i'o mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > Am 24.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Jonathan Jones: > >> Now that I've gotten a fair but through the work, I think it's time to >> let all of you in on my secret project: >> >> Firstly, I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but I >> recently discovered a site called Memrise.com, which is everything Smart.fm >> could have been if they hadn't decided to be jerks. In other words, it's >> pretty cool. >> >> There's already Lojban vocabulary lessons on there, including one for the >> gismu, but since it uses the full, rather complex definitions, (with all >> the parenthetical statements and so on,) I decided to create a new one that >> uses the same definitions the old Smart.fm lesson and the Anki flashcard >> list does. I've already uploaded the entire list, and now I'm going through >> the individual entries and adding what I can- apparently there's some >> default permissions things that Memrise in general needs to correct: I'm >> still waiting on a response from the guy in charge of that, but I don't >> expect to hear from him until at least Monday- so in most cases this just >> means adding a visual cue to those gismu for which it's appropriate, such >> as a picture of a computer for {skami}. >> >> The content is divided into 14 "pages". I've added pictures to nearly all >> of the ones on the first page. I've attempted to keep the artistic style >> consistent, but there's obviously somewhat of a lack there. >> >> In any case, I'm letting you guys know about this for two reasons: so you >> can use it if you want, and so that maybe some of you might decide to do a >> little picture adding of your own. >> >> Whenever the permissions get fixed, I'll be adding the audio for all the >> words as well as a lot of other information that just isn't possible right >> now, but until then, it's just the words, the simplified definitions, and >> the pictures. >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >> . >> > > > -- > .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u > .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla > .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban-beginners?hl=en > . > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --e89a8f22bb3dfc759604c33c2dcc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh no, I certainly agree that keywords is not enough for proper learning of= Lojban valsi. I just also happen to think that the full and complete defin= itions are a bit overkill for nintadni. The very complexities may even caus= e some to give the idea of learning pause. When I created these simplified = definitions, which I did originally mostly because of character limits plac= ed by Smart.fm, the learning website I was making the lessons for, I did so= with a mind to preserve the definition in its whole whilst cutting out the= more complex parts of the full definition.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 12:07 PM, selpa'= i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
This site is pretty well known among Lojbanists (at least on IRC).
I myself have contributed several Lojban decks.

That said, I appreciate your work. Personally, I have never had problems wi= th the full definitions, and they are way more useful than just keywords. I= n fact, knowing a gismu without its place structure is relatively useless w= hen you want to use it actively. As I cam see, however, you did not use mer= e keywords, but instead used simplified definitions. Looks like a good idea= .
I really like the pictures.

I don't know what you mean about the permissions thing. Benjamin, the g= uy who runs memrise, has always been very helpful though, so I'm sure h= e'll get back to you soon enough.

.i .i'e .i'o mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

Am 24.06.2012 19:07, schrieb Jonathan Jones:
Now that I've gotten a fair but through the work, I think it's time= to let all of you in on my secret project:

Firstly, I don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but I recen= tly discovered a site called Memrise.com, which is everything Smart.fm coul= d have been if they hadn't decided to be jerks. In other words, it'= s pretty cool.

There's already Lojban vocabulary lessons on there, including one for t= he gismu, but since it uses the full, rather complex definitions, (with all= the parenthetical statements and so on,) I decided to create a new one tha= t uses the same definitions the old Smart.fm lesson and the Anki flashcard = list does. I've already uploaded the entire list, and now I'm going= through the individual entries and adding what I can- apparently there'= ;s some default permissions things that Memrise in general needs to correct= : I'm still waiting on a response from the guy in charge of that, but I= don't expect to hear from him until at least Monday- so in most cases = this just means adding a visual cue to those gismu for which it's appro= priate, such as a picture of a computer for {skami}.

The content is divided into 14 "pages". I've added pictures t= o nearly all of the ones on the first page. I've attempted to keep the = artistic style consistent, but there's obviously somewhat of a lack the= re.

In any case, I'm letting you guys know about this for two reasons: so y= ou can use it if you want, and so that maybe some of you might decide to do= a little picture adding of your own.

Whenever the permissions get fixed, I'll be adding the audio for all th= e words as well as a lot of other information that just isn't possible = right now, but until then, it's just the words, the simplified definiti= ons, and the pictures.

--
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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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.i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
.i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
.i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

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