Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:42937) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SkbQ4-0004Ad-4T; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:36 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf505904wib.16 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KCDsn+L2T0JTOCcrN37u5NwdUWi9mRSFLCORqH7uNLY=; b=TYpG+iwCiNXgtgSlZ3Yvu2uqReFj5LLiiYn47hYOCxtiBBoUJ/XkD6iuaSyRlmBoG9 LlhmoZjaTLsYVqj/TL6SZWtAusjTACvm8zcNz9eGADWDpu4h/6z8ttq6MyFBJLLAGISu +G6s02JIs8AFdRVZ/SoLKbM1s0DiUwFrEFqu8= Received: by 10.205.133.208 with SMTP id hz16mr51236bkc.11.1340977164195; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.208 with SMTP id p16ls3816361bks.7.gmail; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr265147bkc.2.1340977163238; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.122.65 with SMTP id gf1mr265144bkc.2.1340977162966; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si2131072bks.1.2012.06.29.06.39.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.179; Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id n1so4588979lba.10 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.146.169 with SMTP id td9mr1937244lab.42.1340977162640; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2012 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201206281700.03463.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 07:39:22 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Visual mem for pinxe on Memrise. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2345896e5dc004c39c93d7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 16074 --e89a8f2345896e5dc004c39c93d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was also referring to the various 'kansi'u"s as well, but yes, On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > Well, I will let him speak for himself, but I note he much prefers using > kansi'u (a word he himself put into jbovlaste) over just plain kansa. I > assume in the Ceqli cartoon, you are here referring to "mi'a kansa simxu > xabju" (If there is another use of simxu on the page, I didn't spot it). > Here it is appropriate because A is living with B and B is living with A. > The x1 is a group, the members of which are living with each other. > Without "simxu", it means "we are accompanying-type-of-living", whihc > might mean we are as a group living with someone ELSE. > --gejyspa > > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Hmm. Well then, I must have misunderstood him then, and now I don't >> understand the reason for his insistence in the use of simxu for le >> lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi.Ceqli. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Umm... well, actually, yes, according to Jorge. What he was saying is >>> that they are simxu only in the sense of they are simxu be lo nu kansa. In >>> other words, the one is mutually (simxu) with (kansa) the other in their >>> drinking. And that he agrees that simxu be lo nu pinxe means they are >>> drinking each other. But that's quite broad. It's hard to imagine any >>> kansa that's not simxu lo nu kansa >>> >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Ah, well, not according to Jorge. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Michael Turniansky < >>>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just tired. Drove back four hours from a nine-hour wedding that >>>>> lasted until 3:30 in the morning. I meant to say, "Sorry, Jonathon, PIERRE >>>>> is correct..." (and of course sinxa -> simxu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday 28 June 2012 15:05:17 Michael Turniansky wrote: >>>>>> > Sorry, Jonathon is correct. kansa means for more than one agent >>>>>> to >>>>>> > participate in an act. sinxa is an act that is done by each member >>>>>> of the >>>>>> > group to another member of the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you contradicting yourself, or just tired? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --e89a8f2345896e5dc004c39c93d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was also referring to the various 'kansi'u"s as well, but ye= s,

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Micha= el Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Well, I will let him sp= eak for himself, but I note he much prefers using kansi'u (a word he hi= mself put into jbovlaste) over just plain kansa. =A0I assume in the Ceqli c= artoon, =A0you are here referring to "mi'a kansa simxu xabju"= (If there is another use of simxu on the page, I didn't spot it). =A0H= ere it is appropriate because A is living with B and B is living with A. = =A0The x1 is a group, the members of which are living with each other. =A0W= ithout "simxu", it means "we are accompanying-type-of-living= ", whihc might mean we are as a group living with someone ELSE.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Jon= es <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm. Well then, I must have misunderstood hi= m then, and now I don't understand the reason for his insistence in the= use of simxu for le lisxra cu xe fanva fo zo'oi.C= eqli.


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Michael Tur= niansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Umm... well, actually, yes, according to Jorge. =A0Wha= t he was saying is that they are simxu only in the sense of they are simxu = be lo nu kansa. =A0In other words, the one is mutually (simxu) with (kansa)= the other in their drinking. =A0And that he agrees that simxu be lo nu pin= xe means they are drinking each other. =A0But that's quite broad. =A0It= 's hard to imagine any kansa that's not simxu lo nu kansa

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 a= t 8:31 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah, well, not according to Jorge.
<= br>
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Michael = Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 Just tired. =A0Drove ba= ck four hours from a nine-hour wedding that lasted until 3:30 in the mornin= g. =A0I meant to say, "Sorry, Jonathon, PIERRE is correct..." (an= d of course sinxa -> simxu


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Thursday 28 June 2012 15:05:17 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> =A0 =A0Sorry, Jonathon is correct. =A0kansa means for more than one ag= ent to
> participate in an act. =A0sinxa is an act that is done by each member = of the
> group to another member of the group.

Are you contradicting yourself, or just tired?

Pierre

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