Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:38884) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Slm2C-00011s-Bi; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:45 -0700 Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14sf2549642wib.16 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=lNeQ0XKZOIXJDG6kgOj3L/FIsyjbssUJ3L/kuQj2Fqo=; b=3xgpG9t7ywEyUdngBLNWPyYSnSCsRCaMpvOqEin7l+bcVpoTdiYr+bCHt0KEEYrycE rx3JIbo4jR8qSErEBQqx4xpZlEfhPzMrPgxkWcd/vKr2txYvq8T8cG7EDxZYYMYdWETF A8UYO+vXCzxauq0jb6W5jYq/ynQYy0MGdXP+s= Received: by 10.204.143.154 with SMTP id v26mr494859bku.34.1341256301138; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.4.74 with SMTP id 10ls2629512bkq.0.gmail; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr1710230bkc.4.1341256299267; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.133.196 with SMTP id hz4mr1710229bkc.4.1341256299238; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com (mail-bk0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iv15si2636465bkc.0.2012.07.02.12.11.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9so5339027bkc.9 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.82 with SMTP id b18mr8207014bka.118.1341256298848; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.56.12 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:11:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 15:11:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: mi cu xebni lenu lumci le palta .i From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c35fa3ee45f04c3dd9192 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 8707 --0015174c35fa3ee45f04c3dd9192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, it is assignable to a meaning in a given context with cei, buit that's an advanced concept. You can read more about this in chapter seven, section five of the complete grammar http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html --gejyspa On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Sorry, I should've said it has no /meaning/. > > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> It's a variable, kind of like x and y in Algebra. It has no definition. >> It's main purpose is as a replacement for "normal" gismu in examples, such >> as in "lo broda" from my explanation of "lo". Basically, you can replace >> "broda" with any selbri at all and the grammar is the same. >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM, azuriss wrote: >> >>> Thanks! I think I am getting a better understanding of the words. One >>> thing that confuses me though is the word broda. In vlasisku, it is defined >>> as " 1st assignable variable predicate (context determines place >>> structure). " But I can't make much sense of that definition. Can >>> anyone explain it for me? >>> >>> >>> On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:09:56 AM UTC-4, azuriss wrote: >>> >>>> I just made an attempt to translate "I hate washing the dishes" into >>>> Lojban and come up with this: {mi cu xebni lenu lumci le palta .i}. >>>> >>>> I'd greatly appreciate it, if anyone could show me any corrections I >>>> may need to make. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/b6Vw6bBuN9UJ. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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=A0 Well, it is assignable to a meaning in a given context= with cei, buit that's an advanced concept. =A0You can read more about = this in chapter seven, section five of the complete grammar=A0http://ww= w.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Mo= n, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I should've said it has no /meani= ng/.


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
It's a variable, kind of like x and y in= Algebra. It has no definition. It's main purpose is as a replacement f= or "normal" gismu in examples, such as in "lo broda" fr= om my explanation of "lo". Basically, you can replace "broda= " with any selbri at all and the grammar is the same.


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:45 AM, azuriss <= azuritiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks! I think I am getting a better understanding of the words. One thing= that confuses me though is the word broda. In vlasisku, it is defined as &= quot; 1st assignable v= ariable predicate (context determines place structure).=A0&qu= ot; But I can't make much sense of that definition. Can anyone explain = it for me?


On Friday, June 29, 2012 10:09:56 AM UTC-4, azuriss wrote:
I just made an attempt to transla= te "I hate washing the dishes" into Lojban and come up with this:= {mi cu xebni lenu lumci le palta .i}.

I'd greatly appreciate it, if anyone could show me any c= orrections I may need to make.

Thanks!

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )




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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l= uk. mi patfu do zo'o
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