Received: from mail-vb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:37550) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SnnP9-0003qy-7G; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:55 -0700 Received: by vbzb23 with SMTP id b23sf12354921vbz.16 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4fsroJZR8gCxVTKmp3fBj9I+YbeJ3cY5TXFIXWs0Xmg=; b=WZUtu+knjNgInpDMSdHUfeGhmt4ZffiDAndCL0tCFQcPhdbgWwdDUzUy5YknSCcliC 7S9HcY4Qe/aXXq/Y2qIfADQVcVwudMPd3PjBrjzwlhyRPKy9ZPEX3pIFz7/plNFbHDE1 tb0gST+p1US5K+z/kSt2d9wvQBaQkb05FckqU= Received: by 10.52.36.52 with SMTP id n20mr733133vdj.4.1341738220523; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.30.193 with SMTP id u1ls5816915vdh.8.gmail; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.129 with SMTP id bo1mr28654362vdb.0.1341738219986; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.89.129 with SMTP id bo1mr28654361vdb.0.1341738219975; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f196.google.com (mail-vc0-f196.google.com [209.85.220.196]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dy2si3329278vdb.1.2012.07.08.02.03.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.196 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.196; Received: by vcbfk26 with SMTP id fk26so678916vcb.7 for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.219.137 with SMTP id hu9mr15644393vcb.4.1341738219851; Sun, 08 Jul 2012 02:03:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.24.193 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 02:03:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <520a9835-280f-4d26-8d85-4d051f8acc18@googlegroups.com> References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <6530ad91-ce67-4926-b2e8-697ca6a39a36@googlegroups.com> <520a9835-280f-4d26-8d85-4d051f8acc18@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 05:03:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 2227 Er, no? The rationale behind using -e and not -u is that the final vowel from the fu'ivla head is -e and because in latin, the final vowel is not really a true constituent of the *word*. The root itself ends in a consonant, and therefore the final vowel has little real bearing on the meaning, aside from grammatical implications. So no, this isn't a malgli fu'ivla at all, especially considering that in English, the word doesn't even end in a vowel (in speech, of course), so "pomegranate" is lojbanised to {pamygranet} (probably, I'm no expert on lojbanisation; I prefer to use real lojban words over lojbanisations any day). What'd be unjustifiably malglico would be {grutrpamagranete} and that certainly isn't the case with {grutrgranate} which is justified in all aspects. mu'o mi'e la tsani On 8 July 2012 03:49, Lindar wrote: > In all honesty my biggest complaint is the nagging idea that you prefer > {granate} to {granatu} and named it thus because of the English name for the > item and not the linnean name as is customary. It's my own weird > twitch-reaction, but I'm going to cry malglitarmi on this simply for the > fact that it is anything more than vaguely similar. It has nothing to do > with a preferred final vowel and everything to do with the fact that you're > making stuff look like English because you speak English. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/TX1byiv8jRMJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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