Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:46119) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoEcX-0003gj-Oj; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:31 -0700 Received: by werl57 with SMTP id l57sf1530953wer.16 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/JRo7s9BF9qIkiFD+zigbaf6GgK1I/5NHqnZwE+S3YQ=; b=wYQe3q2AMx+Li5VYsWMBh6aXrmGsldznJldFuUJBOFvbQpMoyP8CXrwKxjMjqCJz1p Otc9+0ZIQB19ab81hZxbzBcqAOPuNJ27/ZjT9ohJvtGdZfZH/jMEx3VeimbJeTe8yacH tKPx1q//l/9RbPJOkJPQPEBHoaXt8zDLNPc4g= Received: by 10.180.94.38 with SMTP id cz6mr746501wib.4.1341842837878; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.95.134 with SMTP id p6ls731792eef.1.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.186.144 with SMTP id w16mr12682278eem.3.1341842836197; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.186.144 with SMTP id w16mr12682276eem.3.1341842836154; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b16si22632733eeg.3.2012.07.09.07.07.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.44; Received: by eekd4 with SMTP id d4so4538989eek.31 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.127.98 with SMTP id nf2mr4912336lab.4.1341842835765; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3fe35f00-2292-47f2-8174-e085ac192707@googlegroups.com> <12445105.L7OIGU9naY@mehitabel> <636d3cc9-86ce-43f7-b181-146391653181@googlegroups.com> <33c7e7dd-2010-4672-9961-1616d06b1677@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:07:15 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042d05aa91f96904c46621c2 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 18366 --f46d042d05aa91f96904c46621c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", which is "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more complicated. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz wrote: > I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it's pulp really is more like > from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one > might consider {tsijbaplise} > > Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active > in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as > wikipedia puts it. > > just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency... > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that. > > > > For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, > handsome, > > sexy, cute, hot,... > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki > wrote: > >> > >> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 > >> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. > >> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose one > way > >> not to be misunderstood by others. > >> > >> > >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > >>> > >>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any kind, > I > >>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> (facepalm) > >>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this pixra? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: > >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian > >>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the > >>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) > >>>>>> > actually had such type of words. > >>>>>> > e.g. > >>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as > *nfrw > >>>>>> > *means > >>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in order to > >>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as well. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi classifiers > >>>>>> on > >>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is > >>>>>> "weeverfish" > >>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" is > >>>>>> native. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: > >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 > >>>>>> > fu'ivla. > >>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier > there > >>>>>> > could > >>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer both > of > >>>>>> them to > >>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, with > "b" > >>>>>> thrown > >>>>>> in for the morphology. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pierre > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>>> > >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/SGgSkFT9VIcJ. > >>>> > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>> > >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > >>> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/Zkn6EUXdGYAJ. > >> > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d042d05aa91f96904c46621c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", wh= ich is "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more = complicated.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 = AM, Paul Predkiewicz <paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> w= rote:
I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it&= #39;s pulp really is more like
from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one
might consider {tsijbaplise}

Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active=
in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as
wikipedia puts it.

just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that.
>
> For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, hand= some,
> sexy, cute, hot,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2= -3
>> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
>> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose = one way
>> not to be misunderstood by others.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'= ;ivla of any kind, I
>>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (facepalm)
>>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of t= his pixra?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at a= ll. Ancient Egyptian
>>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the
>>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of)=
>>>>>> > actually had such type of words.
>>>>>> > e.g.
>>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: p= r] pronounced as *nfrw
>>>>>> > *means
>>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [ima= ge: pr] means house in order to
>>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounc= ed as *nfrw* as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranat= e} in Lojban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with= rafsi classifiers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type= -3 fu'ivla is
>>>>>> "weeverfish"
>>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever&qu= ot; is from Old French and "fish" is
>>>>>> native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar'= ;s {granatu} Type 4
>>>>>> > fu'ivla.
>>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decisi= on cuz I said earlier there
>>>>>> > could
>>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato&q= uot; in my opinion, but I prefer both of
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which = was lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or &quo= t;rumbona", from Semitic, with "b"
>>>>>> thrown
>>>>>> in for the morphology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to
>>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
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>>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-b= eginners?hl=3Den.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>
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>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu do zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
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