Received: from mail-yw0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:54974) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoFds-0004FJ-C6; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:12:57 -0700 Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47sf14282355yhr.12 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:12:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=fekKTWyWlMEne2petwhWI4RaeTUyz0ndXl6iS2ZJ1W4=; b=IvK5eMdbLfloVHK7L1ZTtEe7ZsC4exMNIGLG0nMFf0TyLPBi7+E8HsO9E4zTursIPd NaSqXoK1h2USXl1gtz4r1EMsz/KvnICyvsdAMlz1Fs9AtiaY+kgULsYpcUn/rB7fr4mQ VZF2CJwoaKgk/K/OdjZXlmYli4TDrwr6mdobw= Received: by 10.52.155.207 with SMTP id vy15mr2360387vdb.13.1341846765794; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.221.13.130 with SMTP id pm2ls222353vcb.6.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.94.111 with SMTP id db15mr1380813vdb.11.1341846765312; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: gleki To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9722108c-4b9e-4200-af66-4d838bb99065@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3fe35f00-2292-47f2-8174-e085ac192707@googlegroups.com> <12445105.L7OIGU9naY@mehitabel> <636d3cc9-86ce-43f7-b181-146391653181@googlegroups.com> <33c7e7dd-2010-4672-9961-1616d06b1677@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_168_9984893.1341846764789" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 19716 ------=_Part_168_9984893.1341846764789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > > I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", which is > "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more complicated. > It does. That's why I like it. But it's malglico if we copy the structure of zo'oi pomegranate And that's might be a drawback. Pomegranates have no relation to apples. > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz < > paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it's pulp really is more like >> from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one >> might consider {tsijbaplise} >> >> Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active >> in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as >> wikipedia puts it. >> >> just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency... >> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that. >> > >> > For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, >> handsome, >> > sexy, cute, hot,... >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki >> wrote: >> >> >> >> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 >> >> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. >> >> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose one >> way >> >> not to be misunderstood by others. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any >> kind, I >> >>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> (facepalm) >> >>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this pixra? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: >> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian >> >>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the >> >>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) >> >>>>>> > actually had such type of words. >> >>>>>> > e.g. >> >>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as >> *nfrw >> >>>>>> > *means >> >>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in order >> to >> >>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as >> well. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi >> classifiers >> >>>>>> on >> >>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is >> >>>>>> "weeverfish" >> >>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" is >> >>>>>> native. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: >> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 >> >>>>>> > fu'ivla. >> >>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier >> there >> >>>>>> > could >> >>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer >> both of >> >>>>>> them to >> >>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, with >> "b" >> >>>>>> thrown >> >>>>>> in for the morphology. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Pierre >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >> >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymolo= gy of "pomegranate", which is "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes t= he word more complicated.
It does. That's why I like i= t. But it's malglico if we copy the structure of zo'oi pomegranate
And that's might be a drawback.
Pomegranates have no relation t= o apples. 

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz <paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:
I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it'= s pulp really is more like
from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one
might consider {tsijbaplise}

Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active
in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as
wikipedia puts it.

just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that.
>
> For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, hand= some,
> sexy, cute, hot,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
>>
>> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2= -3
>> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
>> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose = one way
>> not to be misunderstood by others.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivl= a of any kind, I
>>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (facepalm)
>>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of t= his pixra?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt;
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. = Ancient Egyptian
>>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the
>>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of)=
>>>>>> > actually had such type of words.
>>>>>> > e.g.
>>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: p= r] pronounced as *nfrw
>>>>>> > *means
>>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] me= ans house in order to
>>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounc= ed as *nfrw* as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} i= n Lojban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with= rafsi classifiers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type= -3 fu'ivla is
>>>>>> "weeverfish"
>>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old Fren= ch and "fish" is
>>>>>> native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {= granatu} Type 4
>>>>>> > fu'ivla.
>>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision c= uz I said earlier there
>>>>>> > could
>>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, = but I prefer both of
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost.<= br> >>>>>>
>>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", fro= m Semitic, with "b"
>>>>>> thrown
>>>>>> in for the morphology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to
>>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@google= groups.com.
>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/loj= ban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi= patfu do zo'o
>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban-beginners/-/SGgSkFT9VIcJ.
>>>>
>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegr= oups.com.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu d= o zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
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>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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