Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:53508) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SoFt7-0004MV-8H; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:50 -0700 Received: by fadw1 with SMTP id w1sf4080718fad.16 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Y5luxYNEHts+B5f5LjfY2lj7VT8m8ZHxAmFWkfPfcp4=; b=6wZ65jr4KmfW0QiIFd+E3mRZrBzLZe0qF4JdxN32YzoWwcZkCyiovtpSpo03kG7z8D Puh74L1qy0L4gGXoaoLxFEJ1OeQRmDFWNwuHILCgVNEbtoz2iLf/UyQb8nT6FFs3Hn7D t+z7HnYefcZYiLe0jjX/gsGKWm3eNUvLb/vjs= Received: by 10.204.151.68 with SMTP id b4mr1229588bkw.14.1341847708073; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.7.203 with SMTP id e11ls392399bke.8.gmail; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr1249684bks.4.1341847707345; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.128.207 with SMTP id l15mr1249683bks.4.1341847707307; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si16576827bks.2.2012.07.09.08.28.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.180; Received: by lbbgj3 with SMTP id gj3so17374926lbb.11 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.29.166 with SMTP id l6mr18685672lbh.68.1341847706670; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.46.36 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:28:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1897ed28-8a5d-4a2c-8916-8bad921c8240@googlegroups.com> <3fe35f00-2292-47f2-8174-e085ac192707@googlegroups.com> <12445105.L7OIGU9naY@mehitabel> <636d3cc9-86ce-43f7-b181-146391653181@googlegroups.com> <33c7e7dd-2010-4672-9961-1616d06b1677@googlegroups.com> <9722108c-4b9e-4200-af66-4d838bb99065@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:28:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: zo'oi pomegranate se fanva fu ma From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04016963e6180c04c4674354 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Content-Length: 25048 --f46d04016963e6180c04c4674354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship pomegranates and apples share, for the same reason it doesn't matter that lo latcribe is neither bear nor cat. Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden in Lojban. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :) > > And it's not maglico to translate a name that in nearly every language is > derived from it's LATIN name. > > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>> >>> I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymology of "pomegranate", which is >>> "seeded apple". Adding more bits just makes the word more complicated. >>> >> It does. That's why I like it. But it's malglico if we copy the structure >> of zo'oi pomegranate >> And that's might be a drawback. >> Pomegranates have no relation to apples. >> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz < >>> paul.pr.edkiewicz@gmail.com > wrote: >>> >>>> I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it's pulp really is more like >>>> from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one >>>> might consider {tsijbaplise} >>>> >>>> Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active >>>> in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as >>>> wikipedia puts it. >>>> >>>> just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency... >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> > That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that. >>>> > >>>> > For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, >>>> handsome, >>>> > sexy, cute, hot,... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2-3 >>>> >> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban. >>>> >> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose >>>> one way >>>> >> not to be misunderstood by others. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'ivla of any >>>> kind, I >>>> >>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (facepalm) >>>> >>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of this >>>> pixra? >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat >>> > >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at all. Ancient Egyptian >>>> >>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the >>>> >>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of) >>>> >>>>>> > actually had such type of words. >>>> >>>>>> > e.g. >>>> >>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: pr] pronounced as >>>> *nfrw >>>> >>>>>> > *means >>>> >>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [image: pr] means house in >>>> order to >>>> >>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounced as *nfrw* as >>>> well. >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranate} in Lojban. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with rafsi >>>> classifiers >>>> >>>>>> on >>>> >>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type-3 fu'ivla is >>>> >>>>>> "weeverfish" >>>> >>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever" is from Old French and "fish" >>>> is >>>> >>>>>> native. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote: >>>> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar's {granatu} Type 4 >>>> >>>>>> > fu'ivla. >>>> >>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decision cuz I said earlier >>>> there >>>> >>>>>> > could >>>> >>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato" in my opinion, but I prefer >>>> both of >>>> >>>>>> them to >>>> >>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which was lost. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or "rumbona", from Semitic, >>>> with "b" >>>> >>>>>> thrown >>>> >>>>>> in for the morphology. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Pierre >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>>> zo'o >>>> >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban-beginners/-/** >>>> SGgSkFT9VIcJ >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com >>>> . >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban-beginners/-/**Zkn6EUXdGYAJ >>>> . >>>> >> >>>> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.* >>>> *com . >>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban-beginners?hl=en >>>> . >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> > >>>> > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban-beginners/-/L6NRHvKjVWsJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --f46d04016963e6180c04c4674354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, it doesn't matter how much kinship pomegranates and apples share,= for the same reason it doesn't matter that lo latcribe is neither bear= nor cat. Descriptive metaphors are to'e forbidden in Lojban.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say "no relation". They're both fruit. :)
<= br>And it's not maglico to translate a name that in nearly every langua= ge is derived from it's LATIN name.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:12 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= > wrote:


On Monday, July 9, 2012 6:07:15 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:I got {tsiplise} by looking up the etymolo= gy of "pomegranate", which is "seeded apple". Adding mo= re bits just makes the word more complicated.
It does. That's why I like it. But it's mal= glico if we copy the structure of zo'oi pomegranate
And that&= #39;s might be a drawback.
Pomegranates have no relation to apple= s.=A0

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Paul Predkiewicz &l= t;paul.pr.e= dkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:
I think {tsiplise} is awesome. Allthough it&= #39;s pulp really is more like
from a berry, but since on the outside it looks like an apple, one
might consider {tsijbaplise}

Or, you could even put the phoenecians into the game, "who were active=
in broadening its cultivation, partly for religious reasons." as
wikipedia puts it.

just my 2 one-hundredth subdivisions of several units of currency...

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not a Lojban specific thing. Every language has that.
>
> For example, you can call a person attractive, pretty, beautiful, hand= some,
> sexy, cute, hot,...
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wro= te:
>>
>> It just reminds me of tatoeba where many lojbanic sentences have 2= -3
>> versions like jbobau/banjubu'o/la .lojban.
>> Flexibility and synonymy is great but sometimes we need to choose = one way
>> not to be misunderstood by others.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:05:56 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Should? I can't answer that. Do it if you want to.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:32 PM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com= >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 10:10:36 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >>>>>
>>>>> Personally, being one of those people who hates fu'= ;ivla of any kind, I
>>>>> like {tsiplise}, myself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (facepalm)
>>>> I like this word too. Should I create a third version of t= his pixra?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt;
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:10:26 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Type 3 fu'ivla is not unnaturalistic at a= ll. Ancient Egyptian
>>>>>> > (ju'ocu'i the
>>>>>> > eldest written language that we are aware of)=
>>>>>> > actually had such type of words.
>>>>>> > e.g.
>>>>>> > [image: nfr][image: nfr][image: nfr][image: p= r] pronounced as *nfrw
>>>>>> > *means
>>>>>> > "foundations of a house" where [ima= ge: pr] means house in order to
>>>>>> > distinguish it from other homophones pronounc= ed as *nfrw* as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's like {grutrgranate} and {tricrgranat= e} in Lojban.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Egyptian writing system has nothing to do with= rafsi classifiers
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> borrowed words. A better natlang example of a type= -3 fu'ivla is
>>>>>> "weeverfish"
>>>>>> (or "weaverfish"), where "weever&qu= ot; is from Old French and "fish" is
>>>>>> native.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 08, 2012 01:11:35 AM gleki wrote:<= br> >>>>>> > Sorry to say but I have to support Lindar'= ;s {granatu} Type 4
>>>>>> > fu'ivla.
>>>>>> > Don't ask me for any logic in such decisi= on cuz I said earlier there
>>>>>> > could
>>>>>> > be no logic in this field at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could be "granatu" or "granato&q= uot; in my opinion, but I prefer both of
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> "granate", which is the vocative, which = was lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another possibility is "rimbone" or &quo= t;rumbona", from Semitic, with "b"
>>>>>> thrown
>>>>>> in for the morphology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscrib= ed to the Google
>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
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>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi pat= fu do zo'o
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>
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