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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Paul Predkiewicz <
paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com> wrote:

> > It's not especially generic at all, although each argument can refer
> > to any entity actually called that.
>
>
> Yeah, that is what i meant. I know {la} doesn't mean "the", but more
> like "next-up: a name"
> I was just trying to say that as it is the statement {la cipni cu
> prami la mlatu} leaves alot of questions open...
> On the other hand it seems i tend to forget the following, a wedding
> ring engraved with
> {la cipni cu ze'e prami la mlatu}
> and another engraved with
> {la mlatu cu ze'e prami la cipni}
> pretty much adds a whole lot of context. so i guess even if only this
> sentence fits inside the rings, it would still be selfdesprict, since
> if you knew what a wedding ring is you could easily assume that the
> wearer is the person who loves the loved one.
>
> But when written down on the internet, it doesn't sound like much.
>
> Oh and, if you use gismu as a name, to form a valid sentence, do you
> need to put a full stop there {la cipni. cu prami}? Or is {la cipni cu
> prami} fine too? Or is it even {la .cipni. cu prami}?
>

I can never accurately remember which are called cmene and which are called
cmevla, but let's assume eg. {la mlatu} are the ones called cmevla. If I'm
wrong, someone will correct me.

Only cmene need to be surrounded by pauses. It is never wrong to put a
pause where one is not needed, but cmevla have no need of them at all,
however, that is why they need to be followed by ku/cu in some situations,
whereas cmene never do.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Paul Predkiewi=
cz <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">paul.predkiewicz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">&gt; It&#39;s not especially generic at all, although eac=
h argument can refer<br>
&gt; to any entity actually called that.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>Yeah, that is what i meant. I know {la} doesn&#39;t mean &quot;the&qu=
ot;, but more<br>
like &quot;next-up: a name&quot;<br>
I was just trying to say that as it is the statement {la cipni cu<br>
prami la mlatu} leaves alot of questions open...<br>
On the other hand it seems i tend to forget the following, a wedding<br>
ring engraved with<br>
<div class=3D"im">{la cipni cu ze&#39;e prami la mlatu}<br>
</div>and another engraved with<br>
<div class=3D"im">{la mlatu cu ze&#39;e prami la cipni}<br>
</div>pretty much adds a whole lot of context. so i guess even if only this=
<br>
sentence fits inside the rings, it would still be selfdesprict, since<br>
if you knew what a wedding ring is you could easily assume that the<br>
wearer is the person who loves the loved one.<br>
<br>
But when written down on the internet, it doesn&#39;t sound like much.<br>
<br>
Oh and, if you use gismu as a name, to form a valid sentence, do you<br>
need to put a full stop there {la cipni. cu prami}? Or is {la cipni cu<br>
prami} fine too? Or is it even {la .cipni. cu prami}?<br clear=3D"all"></bl=
ockquote><div><br>I can never accurately remember which are called cmene an=
d which are called cmevla, but let&#39;s assume eg. {la mlatu} are the ones=
 called cmevla. If I&#39;m wrong, someone will correct me.<br>
<br>Only cmene need to be surrounded by pauses. It is never wrong to put a =
pause where one is not needed, but cmevla have no need of them at all, howe=
ver, that is why they need to be followed by ku/cu in some situations, wher=
eas cmene never do.<br>
</div></div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko c=
mima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the =
Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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